On Tuesday 20 May 2008 15:23, Michael Rogers wrote:
> Matthew Toseland wrote:
> > Hmmm, I thought you were arguing that the latency would be unacceptable 
for a 
> > message board system?
> 
> I was arguing that you couldn't mix ten-second latency with ten-day 
> latency in the same system. Usenet messages used to take several days to 
> reach the furthest corners of the net because some connections were only 
> active at night, and people still found it useful.
> 
> > Also how would you prevent DoS?
> 
> I'm not sure - hashcash might help, and maybe fair queueing to limit the 
> scope of the attack to nodes near the attacker. A high-latency version 
> of Freenet would also have to solve this problem.

True, but it would use different means to do it: some form of token passing.
> 
> > Broadcast routing requires manual filtering, no? In order to prevent DoS?
> 
> Usenet uses broadcast - I don't know how it deals with DoS but I guess 
> most servers have a limit on the number of messages per user per day, 
> and if a group gets really badly spammed people just curse and 
> unsubscribe (so the network no longer needs to distribute the spam).

Hmmm, perhaps.
> 
> > With passive requests, a message system would likely have almost exactly 
the 
> > same performance on a high latency Freenet as on a broadcast-routed 
network.
> 
> Only if you eliminated round-trips (eg redirects, splitfiles, SSK pubkey 
> caching), which would require different data formats and a different 
> protocol, meaning the high-latency and low-latency networks would have 
> separate content and separate applications. At that point I think it 
> would be fair to ask why the two networks were bundled together under 
> the same name.

Depends on the usage, doesn't it? For widely subscribed message boards, 
redirects wouldn't delay things more than one local round-trip, no?

IMHO the web (even if it's high latency) plus usenet is more useful than just 
usenet.

However, high latency Freenet may not be feasible because of swapping...
> 
> Cheers,
> Michael
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