> So my question is: is the footprint assignment
> BEFORE netlist export to PCB a "design feature", or is it implemented
> this way because of some legacy code from the past? (the question
> originates from pondering of multiboard/multi-pcb-variant design options)
It is an intended design feature.
Schematics often depend on the footprint. Many components, even modern
microcontrollers may come in multiple packages simultaneously, a
designer may actually lose pins and features depending on package. Etc.
Not to mention when you are designing electronics, you almost always
want to size your resistors and capacitors at the schematic stage where
you can capture critical design parameters such as max currents and
voltages that drive the selection of components.
> that the footprints are actually stored in the PCB, not in the SCH.
The actual footprint is stored in the PCB as a cache to the footprint
that was on disk when it was loaded.
The footprint assignment is stored in both.
On Tue, Mar 12, 2024 at 10:45 AM 'Rafał Pietrak' via KiCad Developers
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Hi,
W dniu 12.03.2024 o 15:15, Jon Evans pisze:
> For what it's worth, I'm guessing that if you are trying phone
numbers
> from around the world, you are getting these phone numbers from VOIP
> services and they aren't actually linked to a physical phone that
you
> control, which is kind of exactly what GitLab is trying to block...
The numbers from that site look like being able to receive activation
codes for verity of services (including google). The receive box is
publicly visible, so I could browse the history and see many such codes
there. So, even if they are VoIP, they get the SMS from senders.
But there is a limited count of those numbers, so they are easy to
enumerate on blacklists, and that's what gitlab probably did.
>
> I don't claim that GitLab's system is perfect or ideal, but the
point is
> that they are giving anyone who signs up free resources, and they
have a
> lot of trouble with abuse of their resources. In order to get
access to
> those resources, you need to be willing to disclose enough
information
> to them for them to feel like you are a low risk (because, if you
> started abusing their system, you'd be "burning" the good will of
your
> identity).
I have a different opinion:
1. I haven't started accessing their resources (unless you count
putting
a phrase into an input-text field as such "access")
2. They've started abusing my patience.
BTW: the only problem they could have with abusing their resources is
through their free CI/CD - and this can be prevented easily by allowing
only "thoroughly verified" users to commit code to the builds. Or they
could disabled CI/CD for the "free" projects and be 100% on the safe
side. The didn't. They have overdone their "security".
So I'm very sorry, but that's a nogo for me.
-R
PS: this is out off the topic here, but since I'm probably be signing
off the list in near future, I'd like to ask a question regarding KiCAD
design. After years of doing the ordinary sequence of: draw-sch,
numerate, footprint assign, export to pcb ... I've looked up the files
and to my surprise found out, that the footprints are actually
stored in
the PCB, not in the SCH. So my question is: is the footprint assignment
BEFORE netlist export to PCB a "design feature", or is it implemented
this way because of some legacy code from the past? (the question
originates from pondering of multiboard/multi-pcb-variant design
options)
>
> -Jon
>
> On Tue, Mar 12, 2024 at 7:24 AM 'Rafał Pietrak' via KiCad Developers
> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
<mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote:
>
> Ho Oliver,
>
> Yes, I've tried, and with numbers from US, from swiss and
even from
> pakistan - all that to no avail. gitlab declined verification
almost
> immediately, so I won't be able join the work there. Sorry.
>
> bye.
>
> -R
>
> W dniu 12.03.2024 o 09:17, 'White Fox' via KiCad Developers
pisze:
> > Hi Rafal, did you managed to join gitlab?
> >
> > Is there somethign new on this front side?
> >
> > greetings
> > Oliver Lenz
> >
> >
> >
> > Am 29.02.2024 um 21:38 schrieb 'Rafał Pietrak' via KiCad
Developers:
> >> Oliver,
> >>
> >> Thenx. If it works, it's fine by me. I'll give it a try
in three
> days
> >> (my username is used/reserved at gitlab for that duration).
> >>
> >> -R
> >>
> >> W dniu 29.02.2024 o 20:38, 'White Fox' via KiCad
Developers pisze:
> >>> Hi guys
> >>>
> >>> That's sad that the topic goes this way.
> >>> @Rafal: I have never tried it and do not want to
advertise this
> service,
> >>> but maybe this (or something similiar) is an option for you?
> >>> https://quackr.io/ <https://quackr.io/>
<https://quackr.io/ <https://quackr.io/>>
> >>>
> >>> best regards
> >>> Oliver
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Am 29.02.2024 um 19:14 schrieb 'Rafał Pietrak' via KiCad
> Developers:
> >>>> Seth,
> >>>>
> >>>> I really do regard my phone number as private
information and
> even if
> >>>> I share it with my physician without hesitation, giving
it out
> to a
> >>>> global corpo is out of the question for me. I do
understand,
> that they
> >>>> may have some internal policies based on some
reasoning, and
> I'm not
> >>>> going to argue with that. Let them have it. Only I'm
not going to
> >>>> accept that.
> >>>>
> >>>> Then again. I do UNDERSTAND, that I won't be able to
> contribute to the
> >>>> project. I really do get it. My intention in writing the
> massage was
> >>>> only that:
> >>>> 1. the core developers may not be aware, that this sort of
> "additional
> >>>> confirmation" could be unfriendly to people. (no matter
> argumentation).
> >>>> 2. and I wanted to tell Oliver that at this point I
won't be
> >>>> contributing to this "multiboard docs" project. I'm sorry.
> >>>>
> >>>> Anyway, thenx everybody for wonderful KiCAD and see you
> somewhere else.
> >>>>
> >>>> bye.
> >>>>
> >>>> -R
> >>>>
> >>>> W dniu 29.02.2024 o 18:24, Seth Hillbrand pisze:
> >>>>> GitLab is where all development happens. If their
> requirements are
> >>>>> too onerous then, while we are sorry to lose you,
there are
> extremely
> >>>>> limited ways that you'll be able to be involved in
KiCad at all.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You can still offer translations at
> >>>>> https://hosted.weblate.org/projects/kicad/
<https://hosted.weblate.org/projects/kicad/>
> <https://hosted.weblate.org/projects/kicad/
<https://hosted.weblate.org/projects/kicad/>>
> >>>>> <https://hosted.weblate.org/projects/kicad/
<https://hosted.weblate.org/projects/kicad/>
> <https://hosted.weblate.org/projects/kicad/
<https://hosted.weblate.org/projects/kicad/>>> but that is all.
> >>>>> Everything else happens on GitLab. We do not accept
patches
> through
> >>>>> the mailing list.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> It is interesting to me that you would consider phone
numbers
> to be
> >>>>> private information. We used to print huge books with
everyone's
> >>>>> name, address and phone number in them. Then everyone
got a
> copy of
> >>>>> the book. Of course, I put my phone number in my e-mail
> signature,
> >>>>> so maybe I'm missing something. Regardless, GitLab isn't
> using your
> >>>>> phone number for nefarious purposes, they offer a free
> service with
> >>>>> free CI time on their shared machines. Before they
asked for
> >>>>> verification information, cryptobros would abuse this
for bitcoin
> >>>>> mining and everyone suffered. Now, projects like
KiCad are
> able to
> >>>>> use the CI machines for testing builds and finding bugs.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Seth
> >>>>>
> >>>>> KiCad Services Corporation Logo
> >>>>> Seth Hillbrand
> >>>>> *Lead Developer*
> >>>>> +1-530-302-5483
> >>>>> Long Beach, CA
> >>>>> www.kipro-pcb.com <http://www.kipro-pcb.com>
<http://www.kipro-pcb.com <http://www.kipro-pcb.com>>
> <https://www.kipro-pcb.com/ <https://www.kipro-pcb.com/>
<https://www.kipro-pcb.com/ <https://www.kipro-pcb.com/>>>
> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
<mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
> >>>>> <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
<mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Thu, Feb 29, 2024 at 4:08 AM 'Rafał Pietrak' via KiCad
> Developers
> >>>>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
<mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
> <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
<mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hmmm... I just tried to setup an account there (on
> gitlab), and it
> >>>>> asked
> >>>>> me for a phone number "for confirmation" - that's
> unacceptable
> >>>>> invasion
> >>>>> of privacy. So, (regrettably) I'm not be able to
join you
> there.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> BR.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Rafał
> >>>>>
> >>>>> W dniu 29.02.2024 o 09:06, Kliment (Future Bits)
pisze:
> >>>>> > Hello Rafał,
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > KiCad development was never on GitHub - it was
> originally on
> >>>>> Launchpad
> >>>>> > and later moved to GitLab. The issue (and therefore
> feature
> >>>>> request)
> >>>>> > tracker is at
> https://gitlab.com/kicad/code/kicad/-/issues/
<https://gitlab.com/kicad/code/kicad/-/issues/>
> <https://gitlab.com/kicad/code/kicad/-/issues/
<https://gitlab.com/kicad/code/kicad/-/issues/>>
> >>>>> <https://gitlab.com/kicad/code/kicad/-/issues/
<https://gitlab.com/kicad/code/kicad/-/issues/>
> <https://gitlab.com/kicad/code/kicad/-/issues/
<https://gitlab.com/kicad/code/kicad/-/issues/>>> - you can
> >>>>> > search for related issues there, or start a new
one.
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > Hope this helps
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > -Kliment
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > On 29.02.24 08:56, 'Rafał Pietrak' via KiCad
> Developers wrote:
> >>>>> >> Hi Oliver,
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >> The subject somehow died out, but I'd like to
followup:
> >>>>> >> 1. I've looked up current kicad github for
guidance,
> and it
> >>>>> looks
> >>>>> >> pretty "overpopulated" - lots of small
repositories
> without
> >>>>> any
> >>>>> sort
> >>>>> >> of "oversight". Many marked as "legacy", but still
> visible ...
> >>>>> and in
> >>>>> >> consequence creating "information noise".
> >>>>> >> 2. so i might have missed a place where such
discussion
> >>>>> (documentation
> >>>>> >> gathering) currently takes place - pls advice.
> >>>>> >> 3. if there is none and I create one, how do I
invite
> kicad
> >>>>> (and
> >>>>> other
> >>>>> >> tools) users to join the discussion?
> >>>>> >> 4. is there a naming convention to use for a
project, or
> >>>>> "multiboard"
> >>>>> >> would be just fine?
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >> -R
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >> W dniu 26.02.2024 o 19:22, 'White Fox' via KiCad
> Developers
> >>>>> pisze:
> >>>>> >>> Hi Rafal
> >>>>> >>>
> >>>>> >>> Well, this seems to me exactly like what I would
> start with,
> >>>>> thank you.
> >>>>> >>> Where is this snippet from? I can't remember
such an
> email
> >>>>> thread here.
> >>>>> >>>
> >>>>> >>> greetings
> >>>>> >>> Oliver
> >>>>> >>>
> >>>>> >>> Am 26.02.2024 um 19:12 schrieb 'Rafał
Pietrak' via KiCad
> >>>>> Developers:
> >>>>> >>>> Dear everybody,
> >>>>> >>>>
> >>>>> >>>> W dniu 26.02.2024 o 15:47, Jon Evans pisze:
> >>>>> >>>> [----------------]
> >>>>> >>>>>
> >>>>> >>>>> For "multiboard projects" I think if you ask 5
> people, you
> >>>>> will
> >>>>> >>>>> possibly get 5 different answers about what
this
> feature
> >>>>> means, and
> >>>>> >>>>> what they want to do with it.
> >>>>> >>>>> So, figuring this out (and getting it
documented)
> is a good
> >>>>> first
> >>>>> >>>>> step.
> >>>>> >>>>
> >>>>> >>>> If that could be of any help, and should
anybody have
> >>>>> already
> >>>>> ideas
> >>>>> >>>> and/or experience regarding multiboard design in
> form of
> >>>>> loose
> >>>>> >>>> comments or discussion, I can gather those
into an
> initial
> >>>>> >>>> documentation and put it on a github somewhere.
> >>>>> >>>>
> >>>>> >>>>
> >>>>> >>>> -R
> >>>>>
> >
> > --
> > Das Nötige ist einfach und das Komplizierte unnötig
> > -Michail Kalaschnikow
> >
> >
> > As a german, please let me tell you: Germans are not rude.
> > If you invite a german to have lunch with you and he says
simply
> 'No',
> > be assured that he means:
> > «I'm so glad that you ask me to spend lunch time with you, I'm
> sure it
> > would be a great time,
> > but unfortunately, I'm deeply sorry for that, I have a meeting
> with my
> > boss and a few minutes later,
> > I promised our most important customer a call.
> > And moreover, I'm a little embarassed for that, I feel a
bit sick
> today,
> > maybe I'm not a good lunch companion today.
> > But I really hope so that we can share this great time
another time.»
> >
> > The reason for this kind of highly efficient conversation,
which is
> > typical for germans, is quite simple:
> > He knows that you are probably very busy with highly important
> business,
> > and it is a special kind of German courtesy not to want to
waste
> your
> > precious time.
> > So please, don't misunderstand short and precise
communication as
> > rowdyness.
> >
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