On Sep 12, 2013, at 6:02 PM, Sergiu Dumitriu <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 09/12/2013 11:29 AM, Vincent Massol wrote: >> Hi Sergiu, >> >> On Sep 12, 2013, at 5:11 PM, Sergiu Dumitriu <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> On 09/11/2013 05:58 AM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau wrote: >>>> Since Enterprise embeds Workspaces by default since 5.2-m2, I think it does >>>> not make any sense to release XWiki Manager (XEM) anymore. >>>> >>>> The build is currently broken (because of the XAR organization changes). >>>> >>>> So I propose to remove XWiki Manager: >>>> - stop releasing it >>>> - move the github repo to xwiki-contrib/retired >>>> - update manager.xwiki.org to explain the changes in XWiki 5.2. >>>> - move the manager jira to the retired category >>>> - remove the build in ci.xwiki.org >>>> >>>> Here is my non-binding +1. >>>> >>>> LM >>> >>> -1. This is very premature, the new workspaces haven't been available >>> for a long enough time to be sure it is a good replacement for XEM. >> >> We will never be able to support XEM as it was since we've modified >> workspaces (we didn't add a new module ;)). > > There once was a thing called wiki-manager, and XEM was using it. Is > this no longer true, or why do you say that "workspaces" has changed? It still exists and is made of 2 modules: an API and a UI. the API bundled by default as was the case in XEM. The UI one is not bundled by default in XE. >> Also, since XEM has always been a packaging only it's not a bit deal. You >> could always install the XEM feature on an XE. >> >>> Do workspaces fulfill all the needs of existing XEM users? >> >> yes it's the same thing... >> >>> Does the new implementation offer support for the Farm usage? >> >> same as XEM but the UI module is not installed (it was installed in XEM but >> hidden). We could add it but it's a bad idea since it's misleading. The >> better solution is what we plan for 5.3 which is to merge the 2 notions. >> >>> Is there a clear migration path? Manual or automatic? >> >> automatic, there's a jira issue for making it work in 5.2. >> >>> Is the new wiki management UI going to be at least as easy to use as the >>> old one? What's the learning curve for administrators? >> >> it's the same one… > > I don't get it... Things are different, yet they're the same? I've seen > a lot of UI changes, name changes, functionality changes, yet nothing > actually changed since XEM is Workspaces? The platform-workspaces module has changed. This module was bundled in XEM. Now it's bundled in XE too. > Maybe we're talking about different things. I'm not asking if Workspaces > packaged as XEM has the same functionality as XEM, I'm asking if the old > multiwiki farm manager that has been available in 2.x, 3.x, 4.x and is > still used on MyXWiki will still be available. Yes it's there and not touched at all (it's wiki-manager-api and wiki-manager-ui FTR). Thanks -Vincent >>> If the build is broken, it's easier to fix it than to upset a large >>> userbase. >> >> No. Again, we modified workspaces so even if continue providing the XEM >> packaging the changes will be there and if we upset users in XE we will >> upset them in XEM... >> >>> Why do we insist so much on maintaining backwards >>> compatibility for Java APIs that we're almost certain nobody uses, yet >>> we're OK with dropping an entire product without a proven alternative, >>> hoping that in one or two more releases that alternative will actually >>> be fully implemented? >> >> See above. >> >> Thanks >> -Vincent >> > > > -- > Sergiu Dumitriu > http://purl.org/net/sergiu > _______________________________________________ > devs mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
