On Tue, Apr 4, 2017 at 3:29 PM, Thomas Mortagne <[email protected]> wrote:
> So as I answered Vincent already: you want to get rid of this flavor. > Not really, no. I *am* in favor of having a Base Flavor. It would be invaluable for when writing other flavors (including the Defaut/Standard/KB one), since it will take care of really basic setup, like the Velocity Macro and such. Ideally, a new Flavor should depend on the Base, plus a handful of applications/extensions and it should be set. > > The point of a Flavor is to be installed as a top level UI, being a > XAR is enough to be a flavor dependency. > > On Tue, Apr 4, 2017 at 2:16 PM, Eduard Moraru <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Hi, > > > > As I`ve mentioned in the other mail, I`d prefer "Base" or "Minimal" (as > > Vincent mentioned as well), mainly because I would not want users to be > > encouraged to use it directly, but instead, to use a flavor that builds > on > > top of the Base and brings value (like the "Standard" flavor does). Here I was just talking about the fact that I prefer to emphasize the "boilerplate" nature of this flavor, vs the Lite/Mini/etc. which might imply less resource consumption. Nothing more. > > > Now, I`m getting a bit confused here as to the nature of this base > flavor. > > Is it a flavor or is it a distribution? Do we also have an XWiki "Base" > > distribution (war) that is slimmed down to support at least the XWiki > Base > > *flavor*, and anything else will be installed with EM, according to what > > any additional "extended" flavor instructs (i.e. through its > dependencies)? > > We have since 8.0 a XWiki distribution (with its WAR and the related > set of jetty/hsqldb, Debian packages, etc.) which contain pretty much > only the strict minimum or platform stuff you can't install easily > with EM (like plugins) and which ask you which flavor you want to > install in the Distribution Wizard (it does not declare any default UI > like XE does). > Cool, then, IMO, we should be promoting only that, and not the XE base distribution (which we could remove). Thanks, Eduard > > > > > Thanks, > > Eduard > > > > On Tue, Apr 4, 2017 at 12:58 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > >> If we want to use this flavor as a dependency for the other Flavors that > >> will be built on top, than I would like it to be called just "XWiki", so > >> your 1). > >> All the other flavors built on top would have composed names like "XWiki > >> KB", "XWiki Groupware", etc. > >> > >> Otherwise my vote goes to 3) Base or Basic. > >> > >> I think we should first define what this contains. For me it should not > >> just be EM, but all the default XWiki capabilities to create content: > from > >> administration, to users, to templates, to editors, to viewers, to > >> livetable, to navigation, etc. :) > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Caty > >> > >> On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 6:41 PM, Thomas Mortagne < > [email protected] > >> > > >> wrote: > >> > >> > On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 5:27 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >> > > > >> > >> On 3 Apr 2017, at 17:22, Thomas Mortagne < > [email protected]> > >> > wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 4:36 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected] > > > >> > wrote: > >> > >>> Hi, > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> On 3 Apr 2017, at 16:18, Thomas Mortagne < > [email protected] > >> > > >> > wrote: > >> > >>>> > >> > >>>> Hi devs, > >> > >>>> > >> > >>>> Since 8.0 we have in xwiki-platform a flavor simply called "XWiki > >> > >>>> Flavor" which contains more or less the strict minimum to have > >> > >>>> something you can call an XWiki instance (Administration, > Extension > >> > >>>> Manager, a home page, etc.). > >> > >>>> > >> > >>>> Since we want to promote the new Knowledge Base flavor have a > >> > >>>> concurrent called "XWiki" is not really making it a favor so we > >> should > >> > >>>> probably find another name for it. > >> > >>>> > >> > >>>> Here are some ideas: > >> > >>>> > >> > >>>> 1) "XWiki" Flavor, it's Ok after all > >> > >>>> 2) "Default" Flavor > >> > >>>> 3) "Base” Flavor > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> 4) "Lite" Flavor > >> > >>>> 5) "Mini" Flavor > >> > >>>> 6) "Minimum" Flavor > >> > >>>> 7) "Pico" Flavor > >> > >>>> 8) <another word that means small> Flavor > >> > >>> > >> > >>> This raises a question: Why do we have such a flavor? I don’t > think > >> we > >> > need one if we have the KB flavor. > >> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >>> The only flavor that would make sense to me is a “Base” flavor > that > >> is > >> > **empty** (ie no wiki pages) and that serves as a common base minimum > for > >> > other flavors. It would contain the bare minimum to have an XWiki > >> runtime. > >> > >> > >> > >> Note sure what is your point exactly. You want to discuss if it's > >> > >> allowed to install it as flavor or if it's only a dependency of > >> > >> another flavor ? > >> > > > >> > > My point is that we should only offer 2 things: > >> > > 1) the KB flavor > >> > > 2) or let the user not choose any flavor and have an empty wiki (no > >> wiki > >> > pages and minimal set of core extensions) > >> > > >> > So you want to remove this flavor. You don't need to install any > >> > flavor to have an empty wiki. > >> > > >> > > > >> > > What is the “XWiki Flavor” right now? You mentioned that it > contained > >> > wiki pages (such as home page): > >> > > > >> > > "contains more or less the strict minimum to have > >> > > something you can call an XWiki instance (Administration, Extension > >> > > Manager, a home page, etc.).” > >> > > > >> > > This doesn’t look like the minimum to me. > >> > > > >> > > So the first thing to agree is about the scope of this “base” > flavor. > >> > Then we can name it. > >> > > >> > When it was introduced it was defined as the flavor containing what we > >> > think is common to any kind of flavor, the core UI extensions > >> > basically like you have the core jar extensions on the WAR side. > >> > > >> > > > >> > > If it’s a minimal empty flavor then the best name for me are: > >> > > - “Minimal" > >> > > - "Base" > >> > > > >> > > Thanks > >> > > -Vincent > >> > > > >> > >> Thanks > >> > >>> -Vincent > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> I don't think keeping "XWiki" is such a great idea. Default is > even > >> > worst. > >> > >>>> > >> > >>>> I like "Lite" but might sound too much like "the very limited > free > >> > >>>> version, you are going to have advertisement in a month" theses > >> days. > >> > >>>> > >> > >>>> If I had to vote for only one it would be "Mini" but I'm fine > with > >> any > >> > >>>> of the following proposals. > >> > >>>> > >> > >>>> Thanks, > >> > >>>> -- > >> > >>>> Thomas Mortagne > >> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> > >> Thomas Mortagne > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Thomas Mortagne > >> > > >> > > > > -- > Thomas Mortagne >
