* XWiki Base (on which you can construct), as a synonym of "Foundation" (for a building). Foundation could be misunderstood because of the Software foundations like Eclipse or Apache. * XWiki Stand (as a synonym for Base) or XWiki Shelf * XWiki Kernel (quite technical but I think technical users are the targeted audience) * XWiki Nude (ok it could be confusing, especially with the X in XWiki, but at least the description is good) * XWiki Bare * XWiki Skeleton (already proposed by Paul for the KB flavor) * XWiki Minimum Requirement
I think the best proposition is "Base" but I'm sad we don't find a better name. 2017-04-04 14:53 GMT+02:00 Thomas Mortagne <[email protected]>: > On Tue, Apr 4, 2017 at 2:46 PM, Eduard Moraru <[email protected]> > wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 4, 2017 at 3:29 PM, Thomas Mortagne < > [email protected]> > > wrote: > > > >> So as I answered Vincent already: you want to get rid of this flavor. > >> > > > > Not really, no. I *am* in favor of having a Base Flavor. It would be > > invaluable for when writing other flavors (including the > Defaut/Standard/KB > > one), since it will take care of really basic setup, like the Velocity > > Macro and such. Ideally, a new Flavor should depend on the Base, plus a > > handful of applications/extensions and it should be set. > > I don't think you understood me :) > > What you want is a XAR but it does not need to be a flavor. > > > > > > >> > >> The point of a Flavor is to be installed as a top level UI, being a > >> XAR is enough to be a flavor dependency. > >> > > > >> On Tue, Apr 4, 2017 at 2:16 PM, Eduard Moraru <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >> > Hi, > >> > > >> > As I`ve mentioned in the other mail, I`d prefer "Base" or "Minimal" > (as > >> > Vincent mentioned as well), mainly because I would not want users to > be > >> > encouraged to use it directly, but instead, to use a flavor that > builds > >> on > >> > top of the Base and brings value (like the "Standard" flavor does). > > > > > > Here I was just talking about the fact that I prefer to emphasize the > > "boilerplate" nature of this flavor, vs the Lite/Mini/etc. which might > > imply less resource consumption. Nothing more. > > > >> > >> > Now, I`m getting a bit confused here as to the nature of this base > >> flavor. > >> > Is it a flavor or is it a distribution? Do we also have an XWiki > "Base" > >> > distribution (war) that is slimmed down to support at least the XWiki > >> Base > >> > *flavor*, and anything else will be installed with EM, according to > what > >> > any additional "extended" flavor instructs (i.e. through its > >> dependencies)? > >> > >> We have since 8.0 a XWiki distribution (with its WAR and the related > >> set of jetty/hsqldb, Debian packages, etc.) which contain pretty much > >> only the strict minimum or platform stuff you can't install easily > >> with EM (like plugins) and which ask you which flavor you want to > >> install in the Distribution Wizard (it does not declare any default UI > >> like XE does). > >> > > > > Cool, then, IMO, we should be promoting only that, and not the XE base > > distribution (which we could remove). > > This is the whole point but it's not really what we are debating here :) > > > > > Thanks, > > Eduard > > > >> > >> > > >> > Thanks, > >> > Eduard > >> > > >> > On Tue, Apr 4, 2017 at 12:58 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < > >> > [email protected]> wrote: > >> > > >> >> If we want to use this flavor as a dependency for the other Flavors > that > >> >> will be built on top, than I would like it to be called just > "XWiki", so > >> >> your 1). > >> >> All the other flavors built on top would have composed names like > "XWiki > >> >> KB", "XWiki Groupware", etc. > >> >> > >> >> Otherwise my vote goes to 3) Base or Basic. > >> >> > >> >> I think we should first define what this contains. For me it should > not > >> >> just be EM, but all the default XWiki capabilities to create content: > >> from > >> >> administration, to users, to templates, to editors, to viewers, to > >> >> livetable, to navigation, etc. :) > >> >> > >> >> Thanks, > >> >> Caty > >> >> > >> >> On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 6:41 PM, Thomas Mortagne < > >> [email protected] > >> >> > > >> >> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> > On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 5:27 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected] > > > >> >> wrote: > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> On 3 Apr 2017, at 17:22, Thomas Mortagne < > >> [email protected]> > >> >> > wrote: > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 4:36 PM, Vincent Massol < > [email protected] > >> > > >> >> > wrote: > >> >> > >>> Hi, > >> >> > >>> > >> >> > >>>> On 3 Apr 2017, at 16:18, Thomas Mortagne < > >> [email protected] > >> >> > > >> >> > wrote: > >> >> > >>>> > >> >> > >>>> Hi devs, > >> >> > >>>> > >> >> > >>>> Since 8.0 we have in xwiki-platform a flavor simply called > "XWiki > >> >> > >>>> Flavor" which contains more or less the strict minimum to have > >> >> > >>>> something you can call an XWiki instance (Administration, > >> Extension > >> >> > >>>> Manager, a home page, etc.). > >> >> > >>>> > >> >> > >>>> Since we want to promote the new Knowledge Base flavor have a > >> >> > >>>> concurrent called "XWiki" is not really making it a favor so > we > >> >> should > >> >> > >>>> probably find another name for it. > >> >> > >>>> > >> >> > >>>> Here are some ideas: > >> >> > >>>> > >> >> > >>>> 1) "XWiki" Flavor, it's Ok after all > >> >> > >>>> 2) "Default" Flavor > >> >> > >>>> 3) "Base” Flavor > >> >> > >>> > >> >> > >>>> 4) "Lite" Flavor > >> >> > >>>> 5) "Mini" Flavor > >> >> > >>>> 6) "Minimum" Flavor > >> >> > >>>> 7) "Pico" Flavor > >> >> > >>>> 8) <another word that means small> Flavor > >> >> > >>> > >> >> > >>> This raises a question: Why do we have such a flavor? I don’t > >> think > >> >> we > >> >> > need one if we have the KB flavor. > >> >> > >>> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >>> The only flavor that would make sense to me is a “Base” flavor > >> that > >> >> is > >> >> > **empty** (ie no wiki pages) and that serves as a common base > minimum > >> for > >> >> > other flavors. It would contain the bare minimum to have an XWiki > >> >> runtime. > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> Note sure what is your point exactly. You want to discuss if > it's > >> >> > >> allowed to install it as flavor or if it's only a dependency of > >> >> > >> another flavor ? > >> >> > > > >> >> > > My point is that we should only offer 2 things: > >> >> > > 1) the KB flavor > >> >> > > 2) or let the user not choose any flavor and have an empty wiki > (no > >> >> wiki > >> >> > pages and minimal set of core extensions) > >> >> > > >> >> > So you want to remove this flavor. You don't need to install any > >> >> > flavor to have an empty wiki. > >> >> > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > What is the “XWiki Flavor” right now? You mentioned that it > >> contained > >> >> > wiki pages (such as home page): > >> >> > > > >> >> > > "contains more or less the strict minimum to have > >> >> > > something you can call an XWiki instance (Administration, > Extension > >> >> > > Manager, a home page, etc.).” > >> >> > > > >> >> > > This doesn’t look like the minimum to me. > >> >> > > > >> >> > > So the first thing to agree is about the scope of this “base” > >> flavor. > >> >> > Then we can name it. > >> >> > > >> >> > When it was introduced it was defined as the flavor containing > what we > >> >> > think is common to any kind of flavor, the core UI extensions > >> >> > basically like you have the core jar extensions on the WAR side. > >> >> > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > If it’s a minimal empty flavor then the best name for me are: > >> >> > > - “Minimal" > >> >> > > - "Base" > >> >> > > > >> >> > > Thanks > >> >> > > -Vincent > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> Thanks > >> >> > >>> -Vincent > >> >> > >>> > >> >> > >>>> I don't think keeping "XWiki" is such a great idea. Default is > >> even > >> >> > worst. > >> >> > >>>> > >> >> > >>>> I like "Lite" but might sound too much like "the very limited > >> free > >> >> > >>>> version, you are going to have advertisement in a month" > theses > >> >> days. > >> >> > >>>> > >> >> > >>>> If I had to vote for only one it would be "Mini" but I'm fine > >> with > >> >> any > >> >> > >>>> of the following proposals. > >> >> > >>>> > >> >> > >>>> Thanks, > >> >> > >>>> -- > >> >> > >>>> Thomas Mortagne > >> >> > >>> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> -- > >> >> > >> Thomas Mortagne > >> >> > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > -- > >> >> > Thomas Mortagne > >> >> > > >> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Thomas Mortagne > >> > > > > -- > Thomas Mortagne > -- Guillaume Delhumeau ([email protected]) Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS Committer on the XWiki.org project
