On Tue, Apr 4, 2017 at 2:46 PM, Eduard Moraru <[email protected]> wrote: > On Tue, Apr 4, 2017 at 3:29 PM, Thomas Mortagne <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> So as I answered Vincent already: you want to get rid of this flavor. >> > > Not really, no. I *am* in favor of having a Base Flavor. It would be > invaluable for when writing other flavors (including the Defaut/Standard/KB > one), since it will take care of really basic setup, like the Velocity > Macro and such. Ideally, a new Flavor should depend on the Base, plus a > handful of applications/extensions and it should be set.
I don't think you understood me :) What you want is a XAR but it does not need to be a flavor. > > >> >> The point of a Flavor is to be installed as a top level UI, being a >> XAR is enough to be a flavor dependency. >> > >> On Tue, Apr 4, 2017 at 2:16 PM, Eduard Moraru <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > Hi, >> > >> > As I`ve mentioned in the other mail, I`d prefer "Base" or "Minimal" (as >> > Vincent mentioned as well), mainly because I would not want users to be >> > encouraged to use it directly, but instead, to use a flavor that builds >> on >> > top of the Base and brings value (like the "Standard" flavor does). > > > Here I was just talking about the fact that I prefer to emphasize the > "boilerplate" nature of this flavor, vs the Lite/Mini/etc. which might > imply less resource consumption. Nothing more. > >> >> > Now, I`m getting a bit confused here as to the nature of this base >> flavor. >> > Is it a flavor or is it a distribution? Do we also have an XWiki "Base" >> > distribution (war) that is slimmed down to support at least the XWiki >> Base >> > *flavor*, and anything else will be installed with EM, according to what >> > any additional "extended" flavor instructs (i.e. through its >> dependencies)? >> >> We have since 8.0 a XWiki distribution (with its WAR and the related >> set of jetty/hsqldb, Debian packages, etc.) which contain pretty much >> only the strict minimum or platform stuff you can't install easily >> with EM (like plugins) and which ask you which flavor you want to >> install in the Distribution Wizard (it does not declare any default UI >> like XE does). >> > > Cool, then, IMO, we should be promoting only that, and not the XE base > distribution (which we could remove). This is the whole point but it's not really what we are debating here :) > > Thanks, > Eduard > >> >> > >> > Thanks, >> > Eduard >> > >> > On Tue, Apr 4, 2017 at 12:58 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < >> > [email protected]> wrote: >> > >> >> If we want to use this flavor as a dependency for the other Flavors that >> >> will be built on top, than I would like it to be called just "XWiki", so >> >> your 1). >> >> All the other flavors built on top would have composed names like "XWiki >> >> KB", "XWiki Groupware", etc. >> >> >> >> Otherwise my vote goes to 3) Base or Basic. >> >> >> >> I think we should first define what this contains. For me it should not >> >> just be EM, but all the default XWiki capabilities to create content: >> from >> >> administration, to users, to templates, to editors, to viewers, to >> >> livetable, to navigation, etc. :) >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> Caty >> >> >> >> On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 6:41 PM, Thomas Mortagne < >> [email protected] >> >> > >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> > On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 5:27 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> >> >> wrote: >> >> > > >> >> > >> On 3 Apr 2017, at 17:22, Thomas Mortagne < >> [email protected]> >> >> > wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> > >> On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 4:36 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected] >> > >> >> > wrote: >> >> > >>> Hi, >> >> > >>> >> >> > >>>> On 3 Apr 2017, at 16:18, Thomas Mortagne < >> [email protected] >> >> > >> >> > wrote: >> >> > >>>> >> >> > >>>> Hi devs, >> >> > >>>> >> >> > >>>> Since 8.0 we have in xwiki-platform a flavor simply called "XWiki >> >> > >>>> Flavor" which contains more or less the strict minimum to have >> >> > >>>> something you can call an XWiki instance (Administration, >> Extension >> >> > >>>> Manager, a home page, etc.). >> >> > >>>> >> >> > >>>> Since we want to promote the new Knowledge Base flavor have a >> >> > >>>> concurrent called "XWiki" is not really making it a favor so we >> >> should >> >> > >>>> probably find another name for it. >> >> > >>>> >> >> > >>>> Here are some ideas: >> >> > >>>> >> >> > >>>> 1) "XWiki" Flavor, it's Ok after all >> >> > >>>> 2) "Default" Flavor >> >> > >>>> 3) "Base” Flavor >> >> > >>> >> >> > >>>> 4) "Lite" Flavor >> >> > >>>> 5) "Mini" Flavor >> >> > >>>> 6) "Minimum" Flavor >> >> > >>>> 7) "Pico" Flavor >> >> > >>>> 8) <another word that means small> Flavor >> >> > >>> >> >> > >>> This raises a question: Why do we have such a flavor? I don’t >> think >> >> we >> >> > need one if we have the KB flavor. >> >> > >>> >> >> > >> >> >> > >>> The only flavor that would make sense to me is a “Base” flavor >> that >> >> is >> >> > **empty** (ie no wiki pages) and that serves as a common base minimum >> for >> >> > other flavors. It would contain the bare minimum to have an XWiki >> >> runtime. >> >> > >> >> >> > >> Note sure what is your point exactly. You want to discuss if it's >> >> > >> allowed to install it as flavor or if it's only a dependency of >> >> > >> another flavor ? >> >> > > >> >> > > My point is that we should only offer 2 things: >> >> > > 1) the KB flavor >> >> > > 2) or let the user not choose any flavor and have an empty wiki (no >> >> wiki >> >> > pages and minimal set of core extensions) >> >> > >> >> > So you want to remove this flavor. You don't need to install any >> >> > flavor to have an empty wiki. >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > > What is the “XWiki Flavor” right now? You mentioned that it >> contained >> >> > wiki pages (such as home page): >> >> > > >> >> > > "contains more or less the strict minimum to have >> >> > > something you can call an XWiki instance (Administration, Extension >> >> > > Manager, a home page, etc.).” >> >> > > >> >> > > This doesn’t look like the minimum to me. >> >> > > >> >> > > So the first thing to agree is about the scope of this “base” >> flavor. >> >> > Then we can name it. >> >> > >> >> > When it was introduced it was defined as the flavor containing what we >> >> > think is common to any kind of flavor, the core UI extensions >> >> > basically like you have the core jar extensions on the WAR side. >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > > If it’s a minimal empty flavor then the best name for me are: >> >> > > - “Minimal" >> >> > > - "Base" >> >> > > >> >> > > Thanks >> >> > > -Vincent >> >> > > >> >> > >> Thanks >> >> > >>> -Vincent >> >> > >>> >> >> > >>>> I don't think keeping "XWiki" is such a great idea. Default is >> even >> >> > worst. >> >> > >>>> >> >> > >>>> I like "Lite" but might sound too much like "the very limited >> free >> >> > >>>> version, you are going to have advertisement in a month" theses >> >> days. >> >> > >>>> >> >> > >>>> If I had to vote for only one it would be "Mini" but I'm fine >> with >> >> any >> >> > >>>> of the following proposals. >> >> > >>>> >> >> > >>>> Thanks, >> >> > >>>> -- >> >> > >>>> Thomas Mortagne >> >> > >>> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> -- >> >> > >> Thomas Mortagne >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > -- >> >> > Thomas Mortagne >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Thomas Mortagne >> -- Thomas Mortagne
