On big instances such as Wikipedia, you might not even know personally who is the user who contributed (but notifications might not scale in a Wikipedia instance anyway).
2017-10-04 15:13 GMT+02:00 Thomas Mortagne <[email protected]>: > On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 3:04 PM, Guillaume Delhumeau > <[email protected]> wrote: > > 2017-10-03 17:34 GMT+02:00 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <[email protected] > >: > > > >> On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 11:27 AM, Thomas Mortagne < > >> [email protected]> > >> wrote: > >> > >> > On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 9:54 AM, Guillaume Delhumeau > >> > <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > So your proposal focuses a lot more on the users instead of the apps > >> > (like > >> > > facebook for example). It's OK for me, but I think the type icon > >> (create, > >> > > edit, comment, etc...) is too small compared to the user face. > >> > > > >> > > Actually when I see these screenshot, my first impression is that > the > >> > user > >> > > has been modified :) Would it be nice to have the type icon bigger > than > >> > the > >> > > user face? To me, what happened is more important than who made it, > but > >> > > maybe it's only my feeling. > >> > > >> > Pretty much the same comments on my side. I find weird to focus that > >> > much on users, I would have preferred images corresponding on the > >> > change made. > >> > > >> > >> Depends on what we want to focus on and also on what are user's > >> expectations. > >> If you look at the majority of notifcations in the wild, the user is the > >> focus. > >> People want to know who did what, on what page, when. > >> > > > > But Facebook, for example, is a social network. It focuses on people by > > nature. On XWiki, it is not that evident. In the case of a knowledge > base, > > you focus more on the content (the knowledge) than on the people. On > > xwiki.org, I guess you prefer seeing what's change instead of who made > some > > changes... > > > > If we define XWiki as a collaboration tool, then you collaborate to > create > > something and so the focus is naturally more on that "something". > > > > Just my 2 cents :) > > Some for me, if "the majority of notifcations in the wild" only refer > to social networks and communication tools then it's not a good input > for a wiki IMO. > > > > > > > > >> > >> > >> > > >> > > > >> > > Nice work anyway, as usual :) > >> > > > >> > > Guillaume > >> > > > >> > > 2017-10-03 9:50 GMT+02:00 Guillaume Delhumeau < > >> > [email protected] > >> > >>: > >> > > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> 2017-10-02 18:09 GMT+02:00 Vincent Massol <[email protected]>: > >> > >> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > On 2 Oct 2017, at 18:08, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> >> On 2 Oct 2017, at 18:05, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >> > >>> >> > >> > >>> >> Another feedback/questions: > >> > >>> >> > >> > >>> >> * Is the avatar icon clickable and leading to the user profile? > >> > >>> >> * We need a way to link directly to the diff, at least for page > >> > events > >> > >>> so that the user can see what was modified (as we have currently > in > >> > the AS) > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > * Maybe “2 hours ago” is not precise enough. In your example I > see > >> I > >> > >>> created and modified the Roadmap page but they both say “2 hours > >> ago”. > >> > >>> Shouldn’t I be able to see how far away both events were done? > >> > >>> > >> > >>> My understanding is that events are grouped by app+type but not by > >> > entity > >> > >>> anymore (for page events) and thus you can have 3 events displayed > >> for > >> > the > >> > >>> same page, f.ex: Creation, Modification, Deletion. > >> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> And you could also have different users grouped in the same > composite > >> > >> event. So when you display the details, it would be nice to show > which > >> > user > >> > >> made each event, and I see you have removed this info. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> Thanks > >> > >>> -Vincent > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > Thanks > >> > >>> > -Vincent > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> >> > >> > >>> >> Thanks > >> > >>> >> -Vincent > >> > >>> >> > >> > >>> >>> On 2 Oct 2017, at 18:01, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> > >> > wrote: > >> > >>> >>> > >> > >>> >>> > >> > >>> >>>> On 2 Oct 2017, at 17:54, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < > >> > >>> [email protected]> wrote: > >> > >>> >>>> > >> > >>> >>>> Event Type: BlogPostPublishedEvent > >> > >>> >>>> from > >> > >>> >>>> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/Notification > >> > >>> sImprovements9x#HEventTypes > >> > >>> >>> > >> > >>> >>> ok thanks, had missed this since I was reading from top to > bottom > >> > and > >> > >>> stopped at the overview :) > >> > >>> >>> > >> > >>> >>> However I don’t think it scales since it means one unique icon > >> per > >> > >>> combination of app type + event type. > >> > >>> >>> > >> > >>> >>> What would scale better is two icons: one for the app type and > >> one > >> > >>> for the event type. > >> > >>> >>> > >> > >>> >>> For example imagine that the Blog app had the following > events: > >> > >>> >>> * When a blog post is published > >> > >>> >>> * When a blog post is created > >> > >>> >>> * When a blog post is removed > >> > >>> >>> > >> > >>> >>> You wouldn’t be able to use the RSS icon to represent the 3 > >> events. > >> > >>> >>> > >> > >>> >>> BTW the RSS icon isn’t necessarily representative of the Blog > >> app. > >> > A > >> > >>> lot of apps can have a RSS feed. > >> > >>> >>> > >> > >>> >>> That’s the main remark I have: it’s going to be harder and > harder > >> > to > >> > >>> find unique icons as we had more events to apps, especially if > >> there’s > >> > only > >> > >>> 1 icon that is supposed to combine both app type + event type. > >> > >>> >>> > >> > >>> >>> WDYT? > >> > >>> >>> > >> > >>> >>> Thanks > >> > >>> >>> -Vincent > >> > >>> >>> > >> > >>> >>>> Thanks, > >> > >>> >>>> Caty > >> > >>> >>>> > >> > >>> >>>> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 6:52 PM, Vincent Massol < > >> > [email protected]> > >> > >>> wrote: > >> > >>> >>>> > >> > >>> >>>>> Hi Caty, > >> > >>> >>>>> > >> > >>> >>>>>> On 2 Oct 2017, at 17:21, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < > >> > >>> [email protected]> > >> > >>> >>>>> wrote: > >> > >>> >>>>>> > >> > >>> >>>>>> Hi, > >> > >>> >>>>>> > >> > >>> >>>>>> I've created some improvements suggestions for our > >> Notifications > >> > >>> UI, see > >> > >>> >>>>>> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/ > >> > >>> >>>>> NotificationsImprovements9x > >> > >>> >>>>>> > >> > >>> >>>>>> Let me know what you think. > >> > >>> >>>>> > >> > >>> >>>>> Re the overview, I don’t see where you mention the app? > >> > >>> >>>>> > >> > >>> >>>>> For example, could you show how a new Blog post would be > >> > displayed > >> > >>> and you > >> > >>> >>>>> differentiate that for example from a Page creation or > >> > modification? > >> > >>> >>>>> > >> > >>> >>>>> Thanks > >> > >>> >>>>> -Vincent > >> > >>> >>>>> > >> > >>> >>>>>> > >> > >>> >>>>>> Thanks, > >> > >>> >>>>>> Caty > >> > >>> >>>>> > >> > >>> >>>>> > >> > >>> >>> > >> > >>> >> > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> > >> Guillaume Delhumeau ([email protected]) > >> > >> Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS > >> > >> Committer on the XWiki.org project > >> > >> > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > -- > >> > > Guillaume Delhumeau ([email protected]) > >> > > Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS > >> > > Committer on the XWiki.org project > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Thomas Mortagne > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Guillaume Delhumeau ([email protected]) > > Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS > > Committer on the XWiki.org project > > > > -- > Thomas Mortagne > -- Guillaume Delhumeau ([email protected]) Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS Committer on the XWiki.org project
