Sorry for the late reply. My ISP lost control of it's bodily functions - 
and it was about as disgusting as that sounds... Responding inline.

Catherine Arden wrote:
> Hi Tom
>
> I agree that the "sage on the stage in the brick space structure" is an 
> outdated model of education that perhaps has more to do with maintaining 
> power and control than teaching and learning....However, there are 
> nonetheless real challenges working within our new paradigm.  For instance, 
> how do we value knowledge? 
Value. Knowledge. Loaded words, these. Present administration does more 
to equate value to costs and potential revenue than anything else, it 
seems, which seems fair considering that metrics of value are not clear 
and, perhaps, never will be. Maybe they could be if one were to consider 
value as a form of potential energy (Physics). Consider that a book 
could be seen as having a high amount of 'potential energy', and that 
tapping that energy is really the key.

And the same applies to knowledge itself, really... But then, I believe 
that I am thinking well outside of established boxes...
>  How do we teach 'instrumental' skills such as 
> literacy and numeracy effectively and how do we know they are learned?
Well, we never truly know... I favor fuzzy logic (the concept) in this - 
if something is learned, it is learned to a degree of truth. Fuzzy Logic 
incorporates truth values to establish how true something is. 
Unfortunately, bayesian probability is more liked in the United States 
and other parts of the world due to it's simplicity in being integrated 
in software - but I really believe that Fuzzy Logic excels in questions 
like this. It isn't a true/false question - it is a matter of how true 
we believe something is based on information available.
>   How 
> do we recognise scholarly achievement?
I think that the large mass of people on the planet rarely recognize 
scholarly achievement other than little pieces of paper that are hung on 
walls - and sometimes to their own detriment (they pose a risk when they 
fall, and are typically not OSHA compliant).
>   How do we 'transmit' cultural 
> values?
And how do we 'receive' cultural values? ;-)
>  Are these questions really still about hegemony and fear of losing 
> control or do we need to have some way of controlling education if we are to 
> further our human development and not find ourselves wallowing in a sea of 
> pseudo?
>   
There has to be some control in a learning environment, but control does 
not have to wear latex and wield a bullwhip. While videos along those 
lines are inexplicably popular on the internet, I do not believe that 
there is a need for dominance/submission in education. Frankly, most of 
the things that I have learned that I am most happy I have learned have 
not come from a curriculum or a reading list provided by educational 
professionals - no offense to anyone.

I believe in discussion, and discussion requires mutual respect. Where 
mutual respect lacks, discussion is impossible (which probably explains 
93.6% of the Internet. I love making up statistics.). Where does mutual 
respect come from? Can we teach that?

And can we get educational institutions to evaluate discussions, are 
have they become too much of businesses to use metrics that are less 
than tangible? I do not know. Some people require structure in their 
educations, others do not need the structure.

Therefore comparing results boils down to comparing people's learning 
styles against educational institution knowledge transfer methodologies. 
And since no two humans are alike...

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Taran Rampersad
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"The present is theirs; the future, for which I really worked, is mine." - 
Nikola Tesla

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