Hi All, 
A major aspect missing in the elearning environment that cannot be
simulated is the teacher-learner dynamic. For some subjects especially
highly technical ones such as computer programming - this is a real
issue - Yuwanuch Gulatee's DIT research is on this topic. What needs to
be a major component of this discussion is the recognition that
elearning is a completely new paradigm, not the same as face-to-face and
not an alternative. When this happens we will be able to move forward
and introduce new learning frameworks and structures that cater for
students in the different environment. Currently, we are trying to
re-invent the old model. This about-face also means new ways of
assessing learning, different learning resource formats and delivery
modes. It also means some research into Human Computer Interaction, the
types of skills required to interrogate learning materials on the screen
and an individual's emotional response to learning in what is a very
isolating environment - largely unexplored in any great detail. An
observation from my own PhD research in this area - students use the
cursor as a line of sight guide to read text on screen and everyone is
still printing. 

Are we there yet? No - I don't think so.
:)
BC

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Hi Tom

I agree that the "sage on the stage in the brick space structure" is an
outdated model of education that perhaps has more to do with maintaining
power and control than teaching and learning....However, there are
nonetheless real challenges working within our new paradigm.  For
instance, how do we value knowledge?  How do we teach 'instrumental'
skills such as literacy and numeracy effectively and how do we know they
are learned?  How do we recognise scholarly achievement?  How do we
'transmit' cultural values? Are these questions really still about
hegemony and fear of losing control or do we need to have some way of
controlling education if we are to further our human development and not
find ourselves wallowing in a sea of pseudo?

Catherine Arden


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>
> this conversation in several variances is being considered currently 
> elsewhere on the net, particularly around the issue of virtual worlds
>
> Steve's example is right on target. academics hold the center stage 
> because they control the grades/certification which provide for
student 
> advancement.
> That is the one unique product that universities, in click or brick
space 
> have to offer. And it is the one reason in the dominant US model that 
> get's student attention for the sage on the stage
>
> What business has found out, as have many others, is that social
networks 
> (those articles that Steve cites as examples) allow knowledge to be
gained 
> in entirely different and collaborative fashion, a fashion that
academics 
> might call cheating or disrespectful of the sage. While, Mark is
right, 
> that these technologies will find a place in The Academy, they are,
almost 
> more importantly, a mirror for the educational system which passively 
> makes the point that Steve so eloquently made. The brick space
structure 
> with the sage is a vestigial manifestation of the good old days, going

> back to pre-print where knowledge was transmitted by those who had the

> information stored in their heads or had access to the very few 
> collections of knowledge such as the libraries of Alexandria.
>
> Even pre-internet, social networking provided ways for gaining
critical 
> information. What ICT's show us is that we now have many more and much

> more to access, perhaps more than a single sage on the stage can
offer, 
> except where it has been packaged for delivery in nice 3-credit 
> experiences and vetted by a mid-term and a final for adding a
certificate 
> leading towards a collection for cashing in for a sheep skin.
>
> It is not important that universities adopt the technologies as much
as 
> that they realize that, all factors considered, a brick space campus
in 
> its current embodiment is probably untenable- note the increasing cost
in 
> human lives (adjucnts) and rising tuition.
>
> thoughts
>
> tom
>
> tom abeles
>
>> Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 12:29:59 -0700
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> To: digitaldivide@digitaldivide.net
>> Subject: Re: [DDN] PhD research on OLPC
>>
>> Mark,
>> Your point out that the computer and the new communication
technologies 
>> are
>> important to "knowledge workers" in the new socioeconomy, while the
older
>> technologies of radio and television and film were not, and of course
you
>> are right. Your conclusion--that this difference will result in the
new
>> technologies finding their way into the schools--does not seem to
speak 
>> to
>> the point of the building-centered -teacher-centered school as itself
an
>> organized technology that accommodates some new technologies and 
>> pedagogies
>> and resists others.
>>
>> To fashion an outlandish example, consider the assembly line as an
>> organizing technology. If the suggestion is made to add a cell phone
or
>> computer to each station because the new "knowledge economy" us built

>> around
>> cell phones and computers, the counter is that the issue is not the
needs 
>> of
>> the larger society but the rhythms and routines of the assembly line,
and
>> whether cell phones and computers can somehow be adapted to the
moving 
>> belt.
>>
>> Online universities seem to be doing very well: since there are no
>> brick-and-mortar instructional technologies to contend with the new
>> information technologies that problem is dissolved. "Blended" or
"hybrid"
>> approaches that combine traditional classroom and lecture hall 
>> instruction
>> with online instruction seem to run into the conflict of technologies

>> issue.
>> I have a small collection of  experiences with blended learning
culled 
>> from
>> The Chronicle of Higher Education and elsewhere that illustrate the 
>> clash.
>> In one, a professor puts all of his lectures and readings online--and
the
>> students stop coming to class, and the professor has to require 
>> attendance.
>> In several others, faculty hospitable to the computer ban computers
from
>> their classrooms because students are texting to friends or playing
video
>> games rather than attending to what is going on in the live
classroom.
>>
>> If there is indeed a conflict between the computer and the 600-square

>> foot
>> classroom with a desk, blackboard, 30 tablet arm chairs, and a live 
>> teacher
>> at a lectern , it may be that the needs of society for knowledge
workers
>> won't make for reconciliation.
>>
>> Steve Eskow
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 11:26 AM, Mark Warschauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>>
>> > Without comment on the rest of the Steve's interesting thoughts, I
>> > would like to briefly comment on this point:
>> >
>> > >We might begin by trying to understand why radio, television, 
>> > >film--all
>> > the
>> > >earlier technologies that promised to reform education--have
failed to
>> > make
>> > >a difference in what goes on in those "brick spaces" that Tom
talks
>> > about...
>> > >Steve Eskow
>> >
>> > A major argument made by historian of education Larry Cuban is
that,
>> > since radio, television, and film did not transform schools,
>> > information & communications technologies (ICTs) will not do so
>> > either.
>> >
>> > Though I agree with the underlying idea that no technology in and
of
>> > itself, will automatically transform institutions (and, indeed,
>> > critiquing naive assumptions about the deterministic role of
>> > technology has been one major focus of my work), I think the
>> > comparison between radio, television, and film, on the one hand,
and
>> > ICTs, on the other, is problematic.    Radio, television, and film
>> > have never been critical day-to-day tools of knowledge workers in
the
>> > U.S., certainly not in the way that ICTs are.  Almost anybody who
is
>> > producing knowledge, whether in academic, business, entertainment
>> > fields, or otherwise, uses computers and the Internet constantly to
>> > do so, in ways that such knowledge workers seldom used radio,
>> > television, and film previously.  The role of ICTs in education is
>> > thus much more natural and compelling than that of radio,
television,
>> > and film.  I would suggest that attempts to generalize a "ceiling
>> > effect" for the long-term role of ICTs in schools based on prior
>> > educational technology research on the diffusion of radio,
>> > television, and film are flawed.
>> > Mark
>> > --
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>> > Professor of Education and Informatics
>> > University of California, Irvine
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