On Friday, 19 December 2014 at 11:54:42 UTC, ketmar via Digitalmars-d wrote:
On Fri, 19 Dec 2014 10:47:27 +0000
Sergei Nosov via Digitalmars-d <digitalmars-d@puremagic.com> wrote:

In the "debugger" case, Manu's point is that it's unusable. And Walter's implied point is "debuggers aren't that useful anyway, so why it was a showstopper?".

My personal observation is that "excellent programmers" share the Walter's point on debuggers - they practically don't use it. And the uselessness is so obvious, that there's nothing even to talk about. At the same time, "good programmers" use it extensively, especially on Windows. It is so useful to them, that there's nothing even to talk about!

one of the things one can do if he is in corresponding position is to ban debuggers. i found that after month or two people start producing
better code with better documentation and "control knobs". and
surprisingly faster. debugger is just a kind of bad habit, and when people faced the fact that they will not be payed for work simulation
(and why should we?), they either go or becomes more productive.

Exactly. But you also imply something like "it would be great if every good programmer became excellent", which is not very realistic.

The example is a little abstract, but smoking is also a bad habit. However, there's no way you can fight it and win for the observable future.

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