I guess it is wording.
Hmm say...

Does Java come with a standard gui library? Yes.
Does C come with a standard gui library? No.

C didn't need a gui library to be successful, and didn't come with one.
On the other hand Java/C# have to have one, packed, and they do come with (at least)one.

If your language has a "system programming" in its feature lists, these kind of libraries have very low priority, let alone specific IDE.

On Wed, 13 Oct 2010 06:00:16 +0300, Jimmy Cao <jcao...@gmail.com> wrote:

I'm not quite understanding your argument.
C and C++ do have *actual* IDE's for them, such as Visual Studio.

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