Le 02/12/2011 23:28, Jonathan M Davis a écrit : > On Friday, December 02, 2011 22:44:41 Timon Gehr wrote: >> On 12/02/2011 10:38 PM, Marco Leise wrote: >>> Am 02.12.2011, 21:50 Uhr, schrieb Timon Gehr <timon.g...@gmx.ch>: >>>> On 12/02/2011 09:44 PM, Timon Gehr wrote: >>>>> Except that _Eclipse_ does not do anything to achieve this. It just >>>>> invokes ant, which invokes javac, which is presumably written in C >>>>> and >>>>> C++. >>>> >>>> Seems like I was wrong about this. >>>> >>>>> I can do that in a console without waiting 5 minutes until the IDE >>>>> has finished starting. >>>> >>>> But this is still true. >>> >>> No you are all wrong :p, it takes half a minute for Eclipse to start up. >>> Yes, this is still more than a native executable would need. Still I use >>> it for Java, D, JavaScript and PHP. It's awesome! I also sneak in >>> Eclipse project files into github repositories to make the awesomeness >>> available to others: >>> https://github.com/aichallenge/aichallenge/tree/epsilon/eclipse_projects >> >> It feels like 5 minutes if you are accustomed to open the text editor >> and start working. >> >> But I am sure there is something to IDE's, as many programmers seem to >> like them. > > They can do wonders with code completion and making it easy to hop to > declarations and the like. They also are often able to point out errors in > your code as you're typing it, which can be quite helpful. I frequently miss > many of the features that IDEs like eclipse have when I code (I do all of my > coding in vim these days, regardless of the language). But I _really_ value > the power that vim provides in terms of text editing, and I haven't found an > IDE yet which I can get to emulate vim well enough to be acceptable in that > regard, so I don't use them. I'd definitely like to though. > > - Jonathan M Davis
The thing is, since it compiles while you type, refactoring is mostly safe because it has all the references in memory. Another cool thing with bytecode (not related to IDEs, but they can take advantage of it) is, bytecode reversing is VERY effective. You get pretty much the original code from the bytecode unless it has been obfuscated on purpose.
