On Saturday, 19 May 2012 at 01:28:32 UTC, H. S. Teoh wrote:
You must be using Emacs with a GUI.
No, I told you I hate Emacs. :P
I've seen *other* people do it, and it's horribly slow.
GUI-intensive apps aren't even on my radar. I don't do GUI.
okay... maybe National Instruments's LabView wasn't a good
example for when we're talking about programming lol.
Which is what I mean. GUI's are useless across an SSH
connection.
Ah, ok. That makes more sense than "GUIs are slow over an
internet connection".
Yes, SSH wasn't designed for GUIs (or the converse), so of course
it's slow.
Trying to force GUIs onto *nix systems is like trying to force a
command-line tool on Windows... doesn't exactly work the way it's
supposed to, and it gives you the wrong impression.
Although I'd argue that somebody silly enough to actually
design an API with methods called "getValue" deserves the pain
of manually renaming every instance of it. :-P
LOL
How about "payload", where have I seen that before? lol
Oh? It's called "rename the method and recompile, get 50 pages
of
compile errors, pipe it to a grep command that extracts the
filenames and line numbers, use sed to transform that into a
sed command that automatically substitutes every instance of
the matching identifier on the given files/line numbers".
See, I told you I was a command-line freak. :-)
Yes, that's clever. :P **EXCEPT**:
1. Compilers (cough, DMD?) generally limit their output to a few
dozen errors, so your '50 pages' is kinda off. :P But yea, you
could just loop until it works.
2. Okay, so that's clever. :P Now tell me what you do when you
have dozens of lines in your source file like
@property auto length() { return _range.length; }
and you want to rename the field 'length'? How do you prevent the
second one from getting renamed?
Or say you have
@property auto back() { ... }
@property moveBack() { assert(0, "Cannot move an element from
the back!"); }
auto popBack() { } // Remove an element from the back
and you change the name of the property 'back' to 'last':
@property auto back() { ... }
@property moveBack() { assert(0, "Cannot move an element from
the last!"); }
auto popBack() { } // Remove an element from the last
Notice something funny?
Worse yet, no way in hell that a command-line tool would tell you
your documentation is messed up. :P
Well, I _did_ demonstrate how to do it above, given the proper
tools and shell support. :-) It's a bit clunky, but hey, it
works. And if you get further compile errors, just look those
up (using suitable combinations of grep/sed) and undo the wrong
substitutions. Just two steps, and you're done.
You're done? Or so you think.
See above.
My IDE is called vim. :-P *runs and hides*
Better than Emacs loll :-P *also runs and hides*
You're missing the point. My point was that you can do this
with *arbitrarily complex sequences of operations*. Yes search
and replace with regex is a specific command that's supported
by your IDE, but what about "move one line down, one word over,
increment the number by 1 repeated 50 times to repair a table
of numbers that had some miscalculations"?
Visual Studio has a "Record Macro" feature, to record keystrokes
and such, but I haven't used it, so I don't know if it does what
you want -- but yeah, if it doesn't, I can see why you'd choose
Vim/Emacs/whatever.
It was just for illustrative purposes. It doesn't have to be
"repeat n times"; what about "apply operation X,Y,Z until the
end of the enclosing block"?
Uhm, just highlight it and apply the operation to the highlighted
block...
It sucks to have to open 15 different apps and waste time
switching between them when I could do everything without my
fingers leaving the keyboard for 1 second (and without
focus-distracting cycling through windows).
My hands don't leave the keyboard too often either... even the
basics Alt-Tab/Ctrl-Tab/F8/PageUp/PageDown/etc. get the job done
fairly well, and the mnemonics (e.g. Alt-O to hit the button with
"O" underlined) make it 10x better.
Your example went over my head, 'cos I haven't used windows in
any serious way for at least 15 years. :-P
lol ok. If you get the chance sometime, might wanna give Windows
7 a try. :P
Last time I used Linux was a few days ago (Ubuntu) so I guess I'd
naturally have more to say about it haha.
Stop right there. Project settings, eh? lol...
Better than configure.in/configure/makefile.in/makefile/all that
crap. :P
For me, an SConscript does my project management way better
than any IDE project settings could ever do.
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Now try writing an IDE that can do all of _that_ in one go. :-P
I gotta use SCons, haven't used it before :)
XML is the spawn of evil, next in evilness only to Javascript,
but I digress. :-P Seriously though, you could just use xmlstar
(google for it) if you really have to. XML is not meant for
human consumption. Only machines can process that horribly
tedious stuff without its brain turning into a pretzel.
Haha okay well if you claim the entire STACK of tools is evil
then I guess I can't help you there lol.
You don't know what you're missing. No, really. Trust me, I
know, because I used to hate them too. I hated them so much,
that I wrote (well, tried to write) my own editor just so that
I didn't have to use them, when pico just didn't cut it anymore
for doing serious work. And then my supervisor at my first job
made me learn vim. Which made me hate it all the more. Until
one day, after investing lots of time (and venting lots of
frustration) into learning how to use it properly, it suddenly
all *clicked*.
Try it sometime. You might find yourself liking what you
thought was impossible not to hate, ever. :-)
Haha I definitely will. I actually never thought they were /bad/
(they're just hard to learn and unintuitive, and so I hate them)
but I definitely agree, I could certainly give them another
chance and perhaps like them. Will give them another try when I
get the chance. :)
