If you are waste time in try demostrate ROS is a SS, i think you are not trying 
help. 




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De: KH6TY <kh...@comcast.net>
Para: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Enviado: vie,26 febrero, 2010 14:36
Asunto: Re: [digitalradio] ROS carrier pattern when idle

  
> jose alberto nieto ros wrote:
> I propose to moderator you will be banned if you continue saying stupid 
> things in this group.

Moderated for stupidity? Now that will be a first!

Good luck with trying to fool the FCC. Spectral analysis suggests ROS really is 
FHSS, no matter what you now try to claim.

This picture does not lie: http://home. comcast.net/ ~hteller/ SPECTRUM. JPG

Too bad - ROS is a fun mode and I cannot use it in USA except on UHF. 

I have only tried to help find a way for US hams to use ROS. It will be an 
honor to be banned for my stupidity! :-) Please go ahead as you wish.


73, Skip KH6TY SK



jose alberto nieto ros wrote: 
  
>My friend, one thing is what i wrote, and other different is what ROS is.
>
>If recommend you waste your time in doing something by Ham Radio, instead of 
>criticism ROS.
>
>I propose to moderator you will be banned if you continue saying stupid things 
>in this group.
>
>
>
>
________________________________
De: KH6TY <kh...@comcast. net>
>Para: digitalradio@ yahoogroups. com
>Enviado: vie,26 febrero, 2010 13:18
>Asunto: Re: [digitalradio] ROS carrier pattern when idle
>
>  
>> If MFSK16 was randomized would it magically become spread-spectrum?
>
>Alan, sorry I forgot to reply to this question.
>
>The answer is yes, but only if the following three conditions are ALL met 
>(from the ROS documentation) :
>
>1. The signal occupies a bandwidth much in excess of the minimum bandwidth 
>necessary to send the information.
>2. Spreading is accomplished by means of a spreading signal, often called a 
>code signal, which is independent of the data.
>3. At the receiver, despreading (recovering the original data) is accomplished 
>by the correlation of the received spread signal with a synchronized replica 
>of the spreading signal used to spread the information.
>
>Standard modulation schemes as frequency modulation and pulse code modulation 
>also spread the spectrum of an information signal, but they do not qualify as 
>spread-spectrum systems since they do not satisfy all the conditions outlined 
>above.
>
>Looking at the comparison between ROS and MFSK16, http://home. comcast.net/ 
>~hteller/ SPECTRUM. JPG, it is easy to see that MFSK16 is not FHSS, but ROS 
>definitely is.
>
>Another thing that a petition should include is a requirement that ROS only be 
>used BELOW the phone segments and ABOVE the narrowband data segments. On 20m, 
>that means only between 14.1 and 14.225, because ROS is so wide.
>
>BTW, this same issue came up during the "regulation by bandwidth" debate when 
>the ARRL HSMM (High Speed MultiMedia) proponents wanted to allow wideband, 
>short timespan, signals everywhere with the argument that they last such a 
>short time on any given frequency that they do not interfere, but the fallacy 
>to that argument is that when you get a multitude of HSMM signals on at the 
>same time, all together they can ruin communication for narrow modes, like 
>PSK31. 
>
>The other problem is that SHARING of frequencies requires that users of one 
>mode be able to communicate with users of another mode in the same space so 
>QRL or QSY can be used. It was realized that only CW used by both parties 
>would make this possible. ROS does not work well in a crowded environment or 
>with wideband QRM, so it must find a home relatively clear of other mode QRM. 
>This is just another job the FCC must do in order to be sure a new mode does 
>not create chaos. It has already been shown that leaving that up just to hams 
>does not work, and the strongest try to take over the frequencies.
>
>upper
>
>73 - Skip KH6TY
>
>  
>
>Alan Barrow wrote: 
>  
>>
>>If MFSK16 was randomized would it magically become spread-spectrum?
>>
>>
>>
>



      

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