The interesting thing, in addition that MS made objective-c and a compatible framework with the Apple one, is to see how the swift situation will evolve.

MS done this "port", because they don't have a large set of Apps in their store for mobile Windows, and the developers focusing Windows for phones were very few respect Android and iOS. This is a strategy to make easier the port of Apps from iOs to Windows (phone or how they call it), but I think this was quite obvious to all here.

If this will have success, and windows (phone) will start to take is piece of the cake in the smartphone market, why a developer should choice swift respet objective-c? Swift for now runs only on Apple, obj-c runs on linux, *bsd, hurd and now "natively" (without mingw or other stuffs) also on Windows (phone and PCs, for what I saw from the video), and it is integrated in Visual Studio too.

Will be Swift just a fan boys language? Who now if now the chaces to be released as open source are increased? And how much it will be usefull now, if it will be released? At last, Swift what has more than obj-c? They claim it is faster than obj-c. The only reason I was waiting for swift, was the hope to see it with a garbage collector instead of ARC, this not happened, and will not happen, I think, so for me became a useless language.

Alex.

Il 02/05/2015 19:38, Gregory Casamento ha scritto:
What I find most frustrating is the fact that we thought about doing this a long time ago. It's a lesson to me, at least, to act on my instincts. On Sat, May 2, 2015 at 13:25 Fred Kiefer <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

    Great to see that you are taking this story with such good spirit.
    This is something I like about GNUstep.

    If you want to get more details from Microsoft here is a video
    http://channel9.msdn.com/events/Build/2015/3-610
    You will have to skip to minute 33 for the Objective C demo,
    before that it is just some nice compiler changes.

    Fred

    On the road

    Am 01.05.2015 um 10:27 schrieb Ivan Vučica <[email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]>>:

    That would be very surprising; why would they do that?

    :-)

    sent from phone

    On May 1, 2015 09:26, "David Chisnall" <[email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

        On 30 Apr 2015, at 23:43, Fred Kiefer <[email protected]
        <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
        >
        > On the other hand, I find it very frustrating to see how
        fast they implemented something that we have  been working on
        for years.

        I am led to believe that Microsoft employs some full-time
        developers.

        David

        -- Sent from my IBM 1620


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