I'm going to weigh in here in the UI discussions. I come from a mainly user background. A couple observations. Yes gnustep is a bit ugly, but that's not really my biggest concern. I have been trying to run GNUStep as a desktop environment mostly to replace OSX on Linux. It is not a viable replacement at this time. My reasons are this: I can only open a single terminal tab per terminal window (this is causing my screens to get cluttered even though I have huge screen real estate 2.5k/4k monitors). Lack of a web browser (if I run any third party browser my Apple style horizontal menu disappears. This is extremely annoying, Mantella will not compile with modern firefox and wrapping a browser is beyond my programming capabilities). Lack of tools to configure simple desktop settings such as xrandr, pulseaudio and network-manager (gnustep needs arandr ported to it, preferably as a SystemPreferences.app module) These are all things which destroy the user experience for me. The theme isn't that important to me, I want GNUStep because I can use it to run as Apple style, Windows style or Next style, throw an Amiga Style, and a tablet style in and you've covered all of the deskop UI styles most people want to run these days.
On 29 November 2015 at 18:10, Gregory Casamento <greg.casame...@gmail.com> wrote: > Riccardo, > > On Sun, Nov 29, 2015 at 9:16 AM, Riccardo Mottola > <riccardo.mott...@libero.it> wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Gregory Casamento wrote: > >>> > >>> I absolutely want "our" menus, they are distinctive and useful and if I > >>> were > >>> >to make a reference distribution, I'd want to retain that. > >> > >> They are OLD. More important than their usefulness is what they > >> invoke and that is they make people think that we are NeXTSTEP and > >> OPENSTEP only. Like it or not our old look is part of our problem. > >> I'm sorry you don't like this fact, but it is based on tons of first > >> hand observation over the last ten years. > > > > > > I'm sorry you mix look and with interface design. Facts and factoids. > > Which are factoids? All of the observations from people at the > events, on twitter, etc... are based on personal experience. I hear > it every day. Not factoids... these are widely held opinions. I'm > sorry you don't want to believe it. > > > Actually, our menus are NEW, they are newer than in-window menus and > > one-menu-bar on the top which came from Mac and Motif/OS2/Windows. They > have > > close parents and predecessors (e.g. SGI menus, Amiga menus) but NeXT > made > > them consistent. > > They are from 1985. Sorry, they evoke images of the past. > > > The interaction with our menus makes NeXT & GNUstep distinctive and as > > trying to port applications back and forth it allows for a unique > > interaction. It allows, for example to have very smooth document based > > applications which are impossible to achieve (as still the latest office > > suite of a big software company proves) with in-window menus. > > It offers the same functionality as a top menu bar, but is more flexible > and > > works well with big screens or multiple-screens. We do not need to invent > > things like "tearable menus" and even "palettes" are not strictly > necessary. > > Distinctive, perhaps. Perhaps there is a way we could make them more > modern and still keep them next like. I am not advocating getting rid > of them or going for in-window or menu-bar menus (on the top of the > screen)... what I'm suggesting is something like what was originally > proposed by Jesse a few years ago in the attached file. > > > Thus, playing the same song is of no good for anybody. > > I would very much like to see our interface changed to something > everyone can be in love with. This is only good for the project. > Our out of the box experience with users SUCKS ROCKS and this is > something we need to think about. > > > Riccardo > > GC > -- > Gregory Casamento > GNUstep Lead Developer / OLC, Principal Consultant > http://www.gnustep.org - http://heronsperch.blogspot.com > http://ind.ie/phoenix/ > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss-gnustep mailing list > Discuss-gnustep@gnu.org > https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss-gnustep > >
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