I'd always assumed that gnustep used its own gui across systems. But if you're using native controls on windows, my 'nda anxiety' is low. Nothing I say about linux gui affects windows.
You may think I'm overly paranoid about it. I don't work there anymore, and I don't use windows anymore, but friends and family still work there, so microsoft *is* family. I have to look them in the eye here in a few days. Speaking of which, tomorrow is Yule. After the new year I'll make a clean repro and file a bug in github. On Tue, Dec 19, 2023 at 5:40 PM Gregory Casamento <greg.casame...@gmail.com> wrote: > Bruce, > > On Tue, Dec 19, 2023 at 10:47 AM bruce <darkoverlordofd...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Riccardo, I can agree with everything you say. I’ve looked at pictures of >> gnustep running on mac and windows, and it looks sleek and modern, and >> native. >> >> My experience on unix like does not track with that. It looks >> brutalistic. Not native - it never fits in the desktop. What I hear from >> most people that have tried it is “the 90’s are calling, they want their >> desktop back”. I see a big disconnect between the way gnustep looks on >> mac/windows, and the way it looks on linux/freebsd. >> > > This is, unfortunately, true. GNUstep is using native widgets on Windows, > so it is very likely to look better on that platform. I, personally, don't > mind the 90's look, but then again I have a NeXTstation to my left, so > maybe I am not one to provide an unbiased opinion. > > Yes, these are all aesthetic value judgements. But aesthetics matter - ask >> any mac user. I can see if you’re using a business app, ok. But for other >> users, it is often a non-starter. >> >> My experience has been: >> >> - >> >> Wow this is cool >> - >> >> Wow this has got a lot of gui glitches >> >> > WRITE BUG REPORTS!!! I'm hoping that is sinking in. > > >> >> - >> >> Wow this looks old >> - >> >> Wow this is hard to use >> >> > WRITE BUG REPORTS!!! I'm hoping that is sinking in. > > >> >> - >> >> Install something else >> >> >> But I like the language. I’ve been coding c for 40 years, and objc is >> awesome. I want to code the version with features like arc. Fortunately, >> the freebsd repo has that version. But the linux repos don’t. That >> complicates targeting any app. And I want people to use my app. But >> computer users see these gui issues, and say the app is buggy. I say it’s >> not my app, it’s the way it presents on your os. So they use another app. >> So much for platform agnostic. So much for marketability. >> > > GNUstep is platform agnostic from the sense that it is flexible enough to > be made to blend in should the developer wish to make that happen. The > community can't take all of the responsibility for making YOUR app fit in > everywhere. Also, it is difficult when we are only a few people working on > a large project such as this. The point is... help us, I know you have > told me privately why you feel as though you can't contribute directly, but > writing bug reports or even feature requests on github is something you CAN > do. > > You can help us get there by simply reporting any issues you're seeing in > the places I have asked you to do so. > > GC > > > >> >> >> >> On Tue, Dec 19, 2023 at 3:00 PM Riccardo Mottola < >> riccardo.mott...@libero.it> wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> bruce wrote: >>> > I've tried using libobjc2 with the other runtimes from the linux repo. >>> I >>> > couldn't get it to work, but it sounds like other people have under >>> > certain circumstances. >>> >>> Building libobjc2 can be from easy, "just works" to a nightmare, >>> depending on a platform. >>> >>> Best, of course, is if it comes ready for your OS. >>> >>> > Hm, I'll give that a try,. >>> > But to build a product, I want to know that my users can install it >>> > without all the monkey business. Otherwise it becomes a support >>> nightmare. >>> >>> GCC almost always "just works" if the operating system provides it. If >>> you don't need Obj-C2 features for your app, it is usually a very easy >>> path and that's why I love it. Except FreeBSD, where you mention >>> working. THhere the situation is complicated, because GCC provided has >>> its obj-c runtime removed, supposing you to use libobjc2, which won't >>> work. SO I abandoned that path, but compiled libobjc2 from sources. >>> >>> Riccardo >>> >> >> >> -- >> >> Bruce Davidson >> >> > > -- > Gregory Casamento > GNUstep Lead Developer / OLC, Principal Consultant > http://www.gnustep.org - http://heronsperch.blogspot.com > https://www.patreon.com/bePatron?u=352392 - Become a Patron > https://www.openhub.net/languages/objective_c - OpenHub standings > > [image: Mailtrack] > <https://mailtrack.io?utm_source=gmail&utm_medium=signature&utm_campaign=signaturevirality11&;> > Sender > notified by > Mailtrack > <https://mailtrack.io?utm_source=gmail&utm_medium=signature&utm_campaign=signaturevirality11&;> > 12/19/23, > 12:35:33 PM > -- Bruce Davidson
