Josh Swift wrote: > To pick one pretty close to home, > what about software developers? I honestly have no idea. Maybe you can't > get hired as a code monkey any more without a Software Engineering > License, although I sort of doubt it >
Software Engineers/Programmers in general have the ACM and an expectation of a college degree focused on what they do. Most colleges pushing out software engineers have a formal internship program/industry contacts that help get their students real world experience. And ACM has a lot of professional resources to help aspiring developers. Neither of these things are licenses, but they offer tangible avenues of professional support. I can't see new sysadmins without college degrees succeeding in the industry 5 or 10+ years from now without some sort of professional body certifying their legitimacy and helping them get job placement. On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 9:32 PM, Josh Smift <[email protected]> wrote: > WD> There were some folks there who voiced concerns about things such as > WD> licensure, regulation, and the artificial limiting of who could > WD> practice as negative outcomes of professionalization. > > I'm definitely there, but I have this concern. > > DB> They do it for electricians, lawyers, doctors, plumbers, massage > DB> therapists, interior designers... We are not special little > DB> snowflakes. They'll turn their all-powerful Eye of Sauron our > DB> direction sooner or later. > > There isn't one globally evil organization that does this for all of those > groups, though. To the contrary, my impression is that a lot of those > groups do it themselves; or they do it by lobbying the government to do it > for them. There wasn't some kind of interior design crisis that led to > licensing and regulation of the interior design industry; interior > designers (and others in similar fields where this has happened) wanted > this, with the particular goal of making it harder for newcomers to enter > the field (to artificially limit supply, and drive up prices). > > I don't think we should do that. > > As to the "special snowflake" thing, there are a lot of occupations that > aren't licensed or regulated at all. To pick one pretty close to home, > what about software developers? I honestly have no idea. Maybe you can't > get hired as a code monkey any more without a Software Engineering > License, although I sort of doubt it. Maybe someone is talking about > creating such a thing, but again I sort of doubt it. Anyone know? > > I think "providing a better path for the instruction and guidance of > sysadmins" is a fine goal, but seems more like education (and maybe > certification) than like licensing and regulation. And if you want to call > the former thing "professionalization", I don't have a problem with that; > but it's different from "we want it to be illegal to say that you're a > sysadmin unless you're licensed by their state's Society Of System > Administrators". (Which is what the interior designers do. Or try, they're > starting to lose court battles over this.) > > -Josh ([email protected]) > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.lopsa.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss > This list provided by the League of Professional System Administrators > http://lopsa.org/ >
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