If this is going to succeed, there has to be a firm focus on the goals professionalization wants to achieve.
When Gene references the licensing NY requires for repair shops: > To get said license, all you need is to show a business name, sales tax > number, > proof of insurance, drivers licence, the proper equipment and permit if > dealing with refrigerants. It does not appear you need to get an ASE > Certification or one of many other proof of training tags. At no point do > you even need to identify a spark plug. For NY, the issue isn't the lack of technical knowledge an auto repair shop needs to get started. The state seems to be concerned about getting paid (tax ID numbers and associated business names), employee safety (insured/proper equipment) and some customer protections (insured/proper equipment). Perhaps they think the market will take care of auto professionals who stink, or perhaps they simply don't care and only included enough to make their constituency think the politicians care about them. If anything, this is evidence to help Will's idea: the government doesn't set intelligent policy. When I look at our community, I see people concerned about system administrators being knowledgeable and qualified. I see it whenever someone asks for help in IRC and elsewhere, whenever someone volunteers to mentor a protege and whenever the subject of the profession or education as a whole comes up. Why not make "knowledgeable and competent" system administrators the central goal and look at what we need to accomplish this? I think a base body of knowledge is important for the ideal administrator. A code of ethics is also important, so is continued education and a number of other factors. Let's assume there are a few more out there, too. Now, assume someone tries to start their career right and achieve all of these goals. How do they know where to begin? If they make some headway, how do they know they're on the right track? When they're done, how do they know they've succeeded? That's where I think you should direct this endeavor. When I think of "professionalization of system administration", I don't think of what being a system administrator actually means in terms of duties and technologies. I think of a map some kid at the beginning of their career can follow and know they've satisfied the expected standards. And by extension, they'll easily see how to *exceed* them. Ideally, it's something anyone can achieve in a year or two while on the job. And no matter what, it won't cover anything. Just enough to help demonstrate competence. -Ed I don't know how much free time I have right now . . . But I'd be interested to hear about the specific action items you guys come up with. On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 6:53 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > Derek Balling made the following keystrokes: > >In New York, you can't run an auto-repair shop without a license. Just > >FYI. > > > Be careful when looking at Professional, Certified, and Licenced. They > mean very different things, and in some cases are used just to make > them seem legit. > > In looking at google and the NY requirements... > To get said license, all you need is to show a business name, sales tax > number, > proof of insurance, drivers licence, the proper equipment and permit if > dealing with refrigerants. It does not appear you need to get an ASE > Certification or one of many other proof of training tags. At no point do > you even need to identify a spark plug. > > In regards to the "seem legit", it looks like I could get a "license" to > set up a "snake oil" shop in NY if I wanted to. It must be "legit" since > I paid them money and got a piece of paper in return. > > Following those requirements, any of us could open a shop. Once open > if you want to stay in business, you probably want to have people > that know what they are doing working on the stuff brought in. This > probably means your techs will have ASE or similar certs. > > Now this is another big difference in where they are and SA. As > a business, the repair shop has a benefit in certs. If all your > techs are certified, you can advertise that. This gives customers > a better feeling about your company and the shop down the street > that isn't advertising it. > > I'm sure places may look at RHCE or MS certs, as well as CISSP > and Cisco certs when hiring people. Having spent time at the ServiceNow > conf, and some of their training, I could easily see marketing myself > as passing some of that training, but it would only do me any good > if I was looking to only work on that software stack. > > --Gene > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.lopsa.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss > This list provided by the League of Professional System Administrators > http://lopsa.org/ >
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