On 08/11/14 11:07, Atom Powers wrote: > Is LOPSA an organization for operators or engineers?
I envision LOPSA to be a place for the two to meet and exchange knowledge. This whole DevOps movement... is not really about "automation"... It is about making the sysadmins more responsible to the developers and the developers more responsible to the sysadmins, by blurring the lines between the two. It is not about moving a narrow view up or down the stack, but pushing your limits to widen the view to include the whole stack. From volts on the wire all the way up to the business logic running in the JVM. Software can only push to the limits of the hardware and hardware only does what the software tells it to. You can only automate a system that is already working. The automation has to run on something. If your business requirements say that you need to own the datacenter, then it is you who debugs from a DB corruption down to the bad code, bad data, bad DIMM, or bad IO controller that caused it. A "sysadmin/devops" has the wear withal to figure out crap like this: http://mina.naguib.ca/blog/2012/10/22/the-little-ssh-that-sometimes-couldnt.html Also needs to be able to create/extend things like Puppet/Chef, implement an IDM, design DNS and email routing. Create virtual networks in AWS/Rackspace, link them to your corporate network. Configure VLANs in your corporate network. Know when to bridge and when to route. Do security audits to prove that your implementations are secure from outside threats. Understand the outside and inside threats. So, the "sysadmin/devops" role has grown to be way more than it used to be (the 1995 version.) It is also larger than a "developer" is. Automation is just a tool. It does not solve the problems that senior "sysadmin/devops" people work on. How do you get more IOops out of your storage system? How do you scale the database? How do you fail over an application that wasn't designed to fail over? Automation just scales the problem and the solution. It is a glorified photo copier... :P -- Mr. Flibble King of the Potato People http://www.linkedin.com/in/RobertLanning _______________________________________________ Discuss mailing list [email protected] https://lists.lopsa.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss This list provided by the League of Professional System Administrators http://lopsa.org/
