> Ot was just a suggestion. If you want to crap all over me for it, then so
be it.

I don't think people where crapping all over you for it. But, they where
expressing why slack (and IM/chat in general ) isn't a good replacement for
mailing lists.

> However, whatever - I’d say Slack’s success speaks for itself. I don’t
see how mailing lists are any better than Slack. If you do - then good for
you.

Just because a tools is successful doesn't say anything besides it is good
enough. I've looked at slack and from a "corporate tool" perspective it
scares me. They do some scary things for convenience. But we arn't talking
about slack in a corporate setting. We are talking about slack as a
replacement for Mailing Lists.

Simply they are two different types of communications, and they really
arn't compatible to replace each other. Chat/IM/IRC is a more immediate
type of communication system. It's meant for ephemeral discussions, and is
really good at it. It replicates the ability to have ad-hoc conversations
very well. But they are not that discoverable, achievable, and they are
very synchronous.

Email is a decidedly async method of communication. It is much more
archive-able, searchable, and discoverable. I regularly am able to track
down archived emails with just a word or two of remembered context. I've
found it to be nearly impossible to do with chat systems.  It is a
communication medium that doesn't demand an immediate response as well as
being able to easily go back and read up on threads that happend back in
time.

Basically Slack/IRC/Chat/IM and email are serving two difference
communication needs.

On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 5:00 PM, Allan Irving <[email protected]
> wrote:

> Personally, for my startup I don’t use the free service so the comments
> regarding the free service are irrelevant.
>
> Ot was just a suggestion. If you want to crap all over me for it, then so
> be it.
>
> However, whatever - I’d say Slack’s success speaks for itself. I don’t see
> how mailing lists are any better than Slack. If you do - then good for you.
>
> Such a negative vibe / element of rudeness on this mailing list. Safe to
> say I won’t be renewing my membership as it would appear that easy /
> archaic solutions are more appealing to the majority here. Most sysadmins
> move with the times. Slack might not be the solution but many other more
> advanced solutions are. If you’re so bothered about security, use PGP. As
> you aren’t, I don’t see how you can talk as such.
>
> Regardless - I was just putting it out there but your rude and responses
> have just lost you a member.
>
> As before - all the best.
>
>
>
> On 12 Jul 2015, at 21:52, Allan Irving <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> We are debating this as an alternative to a mailing list. Don’t get ahead
> of yourself. As an alternative, I think it works. However, you can
> disagree. Please don’t male assumptions regarding ‘cool kids; or whatever
> you want to presume. That really isn’t the case. However, if you can’t see
> how mailing lists are more insecure than Slack - then what does that say
> about your career?
>
> How about you create what you want regarding x, y and z as opposed to
> slating something that DOES perform the function of what this mailing list
> is in a better way?
>
> Seeing as you are making assumptions let me I shall assume that you are a
> dinosaur that would rather use email over something else. Now, please - you
> should know the pitfalls of email. I did not say Slack was x, y or z. I
> just see it as a better alternative.
>
> FWIW: Slack does scale. + if it’s working for corporations, what makes
> this mailing list so unique or different that it can’t help it along the
> way?
>
> Making assumptions never ends well - as you have just evidenced.
>
>
>
> On 12 Jul 2015, at 21:41, Brandon Allbery <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 4:37 PM, Allan Irving <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>> You can stay in the dark ages but some of us are thinking ahead. Given
>> the responses, it is clear to me that moving on into the modern century is
>> the way forward.
>>
>
> Slack is only forward in "coolness", not in security, privacy, or anything
> else important. If we are to move forward, can we have something that is
> actually *forward* instead of just another badly done insecure webapp that
> cool kids think is The Future because it is Shiny and who cares about
> whether it (a) works (b) scales (c) is secure (d) is private?
>
> --
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>
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