Bar some comments from trolls, I can understand what you are all saying. Thanks for considering it regardless - and your time.
Allan > On 13 Jul 2015, at 14:46, Allan Irving <[email protected]> wrote: > > Not being aware there was an IRC channel, I presumed that Slack would create > that bridge. However, if there’s already IRC and mailing lists then yes, > there is little point to use Slack. > > Again - I really wish you would stop being pathetic with the ‘cooler’ > element. I have not at any point said it was cooler. I just saw it as more > functional. > > I’ve tried to explain the benefits but you are containing to ignore those and > just seem to have taken the perspective that I think Slack is ‘cooler’ and > you don’t. If that was the case, I’d list at least ten ‘cool’ applications > like Slack. > > I proposed Slack due to the immediacy and speed at which messages can be > responded to. Not everyone checks their emails every five minutes and from my > experience, people tend to overlook emails until which point as they can be > bothered to reply to them. You must remember that not everyone does use email > as much as yourself - and you are not the only person who matters in the > world - that is why I asked the question. To gauge whether others agreed it > was or wasn’t a bad idea. > > I mentioned trialling as opposed to just shutting everything down and what > not. It was not ‘let’s get rid of your mailing list’ but a suggestion more > along the lines of ‘why not give it a go and see how it works out’. > > Taking one stance is fine but that is not what I proposed. I did not say > destroy the mailing lists. I proposed giving something else a go to see how > it works out. > > Functionally, I do believe that has already been addressed but seeing as you > are so adamant - let me make it very clear. > > - Slack is multiplatform and integrates with everything. So does email. > However, Slack is a quicker way to communicate - email is not. Slack allows > for more discussion / in depth / a proper conversation. Email really does not > create conversations in the same way. Equally, Slack allows multi channels > much like signing up to different mailing lists but does this more > intuitively and it’s easier as opposed to signing up and verifying. Equally, > younger generations do not use mailing lists as much as others. This is why > many projects such as London Startups use a Facebook group - and not a > mailing list. > > - Slack allows for controlling who does and doesn’t join a channel and also > allows people to direct each other, whereas with email you have to email them > personally as opposed to a list which many may not want to do feeling they > are encroaching on someone’s personal email. > > - Email certainly does not have the same flow that Slack or IRC can produce > in that it is not as fast. You can easily see what someone else has said > before you reply in one whereas sending this email now, by the time I’ve sent > it likely another reply has already been made. > > - Slack allows you to search in one place. Unless you have filtering rules - > you’re searching your whole inbox or reading through every message to find > what you want. Some of us get so many emails and archive them so this is not > as effective when searching your mailbox. > > - Slack has integrations. They work. Just like that. No clicking on links and > what not. It’s quicker - it’s there and it works. There are so many > integrations they’re not worth listing - from Dropbox to Github to RSS for > Lopsa updates, for example. Code can be placed within it, something which can > take LOPSA to a more technical level of support. In all the time I have > frequented the list, I’ve never really seen help in terms of technical code. > A lot more can be done in one place, using one client that helps LOPSA work > in one place as opposed to several places / clients / applications that > people just don’t have the time to use. > > - I do not agree that mailing lists are the best way to exchange information > and do hold the belief that even IRC is far more effective. Mailing lists by > their nature have always been long discussions. If someone wants to ask a > quick question, they likely aren’t going to go to all the effort of sending > an email to ask it whereas it could be answered within seconds using Slack. > > - In terms of managing different types of information, Slack integrates this > fine. It is far easier to hear about what you want to as opposed to having to > read email by email to gauge if you care. You can just scroll up or see a > specific topic and or channel. > > - Slack is not open source but this is not the FSF. I do not see what > difference that makes. Office 365 isn’t FOSS either but is still widely used. > I only see this as a hindrance in terms of a FOSS debate, not in practical > terms. > > Cat, you’re actually being very rude now. I understand you have a different > point of view but there is no need to be condescending. That’s half the > problem with email - sometimes you’re too busy and people talk far too much > on it and a lot of what is said is often either missed or wasn’t worth saying. > > I don’t get paid to participate on this list and neither does anyone else. It > was my understanding this was to help others out and share information - not > be rude and arrogant for no reason. It was a SUGGESTION. I did not FORCE > anyone to accept it or not. That is why I asked. Your responses have done > little more than make sarcastic remarks and try to pick holes for no reason. > > Please respond with your interpretation as to why email beats Slack or don’t > bother. I’ve seen very little from yourself regarding why you’re oh’ so > correct and no one else is. Chan mindset comes to mind. > > It really doesn’t make a big difference to me in real terms as it doesn’t > affect anything I really do on a daily basis. I just thought it might be > something LOPSA could benefit from - what is so criminal about this? > > If I’m wrong, I’m wrong. Nobody gets it right all the time but that doesn’t > mean your attitude has to be what it is. You haven’t really added anything to > the conversation but taken it off topic at tangents and at the same time been > rude. I don’t recall you having ever proposed anything to maybe better LOPSA. > It was worth a try / I wasn’t expecting a positive reaction necessarily - but > I was not expecting someone to do little more than troll. Not looking for an > argument over a mailing list as I quite frankly, have better things to do > whereas you may not. > > If you’re not going to constructively contribute, don’t. You’re just wasting > your time, my time and everyone else’s. > > Cheers! > > > > >> On 13 Jul 2015, at 14:07, Allan Irving <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> I wasn’t aware there was an IRC channel so that does change everything. >> >> >>> On 13 Jul 2015, at 14:00, Warner <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> To be fair, Slack would replace IRC if anything. The mailing list serves >>> as a separate and complementary purpose. >>> >>> I suspect Allan may not have been aware of or participated on the IRC >>> channel. >>> >>> Apples, oranges -- all that. >>> >>> >>> >>> Warner >>> >>> On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 08:50:53AM -0400, Allan West([email protected]) >>> wrote: >>>> On 2015/07/12 04:58, Allan Irving wrote: >>>>> Hi all, >>>>> >>>>> How do we feel about trailing Slack instead of discussion lists? I am of >>>>> the belief that it would be far better and also has more features than >>>>> email. >>>>> >>>>> http://slack.realm.io is an example of how easy it is for users to sign >>>>> up - much like Mailman offers a sign up screen. >>>>> >>>>> Allan >>>> >>>> I have to use email every day, therefore I prefer to get information >>>> through email. The cool toy of the week (usenet, gopher, AOL, web, IRC, >>>> MySpace Twitter, Facebook, whatever) comes and goes, but mailing list >>>> messages always gets to me. >>>> >>>> I don't have time to pull data (i.e. "follow") on any regular basis. >>>> Unless you can push to me, I'll never hear you. >>>> >>>> But what do I know? I only unplugged my VCR this past weekend. >8^) >>>> (another) Allan >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Discuss mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.lopsa.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>> This list provided by the League of Professional System Administrators >>> http://lopsa.org/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Discuss mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.lopsa.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> This list provided by the League of Professional System Administrators >> http://lopsa.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.lopsa.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss > This list provided by the League of Professional System Administrators > http://lopsa.org/ _______________________________________________ Discuss mailing list [email protected] https://lists.lopsa.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss This list provided by the League of Professional System Administrators http://lopsa.org/
