-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Just FYI... Slack has a program for non-profits to get the "Standard" paid level for free.
https://slack.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/204368833-Slack-for-Nonprofi ts-program On 7/13/2015 10:10 AM, Tom Perrine wrote: > One last note here. > > We use Slack here and have found it *very* useful, but it is NOT > intended as a replacement for email. > > Slack has a limit on the history that it keeps, unless you upgrade > to one of the rather pricy options. The free version only keeps the > last 10,000 messages. That's for all the channels used by a single > organization. > > I don't see Slack as alternative to email, but if there wasn't > already a good IRC system in place, I'd consider it for that. > > > On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 6:59 AM, Allan Irving > <[email protected]> wrote: >> Bar some comments from trolls, I can understand what you are all >> saying. Thanks for considering it regardless - and your time. >> >> Allan >> >> >> >>> On 13 Jul 2015, at 14:46, Allan Irving >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Not being aware there was an IRC channel, I presumed that Slack >>> would create that bridge. However, if there’s already IRC and >>> mailing lists then yes, there is little point to use Slack. >>> >>> Again - I really wish you would stop being pathetic with the >>> ‘cooler’ element. I have not at any point said it was cooler. I >>> just saw it as more functional. >>> >>> I’ve tried to explain the benefits but you are containing to >>> ignore those and just seem to have taken the perspective that I >>> think Slack is ‘cooler’ and you don’t. If that was the case, >>> I’d list at least ten ‘cool’ applications like Slack. >>> >>> I proposed Slack due to the immediacy and speed at which >>> messages can be responded to. Not everyone checks their emails >>> every five minutes and from my experience, people tend to >>> overlook emails until which point as they can be bothered to >>> reply to them. You must remember that not everyone does use >>> email as much as yourself - and you are not the only person who >>> matters in the world - that is why I asked the question. To >>> gauge whether others agreed it was or wasn’t a bad idea. >>> >>> I mentioned trialling as opposed to just shutting everything >>> down and what not. It was not ‘let’s get rid of your mailing >>> list’ but a suggestion more along the lines of ‘why not give it >>> a go and see how it works out’. >>> >>> Taking one stance is fine but that is not what I proposed. I >>> did not say destroy the mailing lists. I proposed giving >>> something else a go to see how it works out. >>> >>> Functionally, I do believe that has already been addressed but >>> seeing as you are so adamant - let me make it very clear. >>> >>> - Slack is multiplatform and integrates with everything. So >>> does email. However, Slack is a quicker way to communicate - >>> email is not. Slack allows for more discussion / in depth / a >>> proper conversation. Email really does not create conversations >>> in the same way. Equally, Slack allows multi channels much like >>> signing up to different mailing lists but does this more >>> intuitively and it’s easier as opposed to signing up and >>> verifying. Equally, younger generations do not use mailing >>> lists as much as others. This is why many projects such as >>> London Startups use a Facebook group - and not a mailing list. >>> >>> - Slack allows for controlling who does and doesn’t join a >>> channel and also allows people to direct each other, whereas >>> with email you have to email them personally as opposed to a >>> list which many may not want to do feeling they are encroaching >>> on someone’s personal email. >>> >>> - Email certainly does not have the same flow that Slack or IRC >>> can produce in that it is not as fast. You can easily see what >>> someone else has said before you reply in one whereas sending >>> this email now, by the time I’ve sent it likely another reply >>> has already been made. >>> >>> - Slack allows you to search in one place. Unless you have >>> filtering rules - you’re searching your whole inbox or reading >>> through every message to find what you want. Some of us get so >>> many emails and archive them so this is not as effective when >>> searching your mailbox. >>> >>> - Slack has integrations. They work. Just like that. No >>> clicking on links and what not. It’s quicker - it’s there and >>> it works. There are so many integrations they’re not worth >>> listing - from Dropbox to Github to RSS for Lopsa updates, for >>> example. Code can be placed within it, something which can take >>> LOPSA to a more technical level of support. In all the time I >>> have frequented the list, I’ve never really seen help in terms >>> of technical code. A lot more can be done in one place, using >>> one client that helps LOPSA work in one place as opposed to >>> several places / clients / applications that people just don’t >>> have the time to use. >>> >>> - I do not agree that mailing lists are the best way to >>> exchange information and do hold the belief that even IRC is >>> far more effective. Mailing lists by their nature have always >>> been long discussions. If someone wants to ask a quick >>> question, they likely aren’t going to go to all the effort of >>> sending an email to ask it whereas it could be answered within >>> seconds using Slack. >>> >>> - In terms of managing different types of information, Slack >>> integrates this fine. It is far easier to hear about what you >>> want to as opposed to having to read email by email to gauge if >>> you care. You can just scroll up or see a specific topic and or >>> channel. >>> >>> - Slack is not open source but this is not the FSF. I do not >>> see what difference that makes. Office 365 isn’t FOSS either >>> but is still widely used. I only see this as a hindrance in >>> terms of a FOSS debate, not in practical terms. >>> >>> Cat, you’re actually being very rude now. I understand you have >>> a different point of view but there is no need to be >>> condescending. That’s half the problem with email - sometimes >>> you’re too busy and people talk far too much on it and a lot of >>> what is said is often either missed or wasn’t worth saying. >>> >>> I don’t get paid to participate on this list and neither does >>> anyone else. It was my understanding this was to help others >>> out and share information - not be rude and arrogant for no >>> reason. It was a SUGGESTION. I did not FORCE anyone to accept >>> it or not. That is why I asked. Your responses have done little >>> more than make sarcastic remarks and try to pick holes for no >>> reason. >>> >>> Please respond with your interpretation as to why email beats >>> Slack or don’t bother. I’ve seen very little from yourself >>> regarding why you’re oh’ so correct and no one else is. Chan >>> mindset comes to mind. >>> >>> It really doesn’t make a big difference to me in real terms as >>> it doesn’t affect anything I really do on a daily basis. I just >>> thought it might be something LOPSA could benefit from - what >>> is so criminal about this? >>> >>> If I’m wrong, I’m wrong. Nobody gets it right all the time but >>> that doesn’t mean your attitude has to be what it is. You >>> haven’t really added anything to the conversation but taken it >>> off topic at tangents and at the same time been rude. I don’t >>> recall you having ever proposed anything to maybe better LOPSA. >>> It was worth a try / I wasn’t expecting a positive reaction >>> necessarily - but I was not expecting someone to do little more >>> than troll. Not looking for an argument over a mailing list as >>> I quite frankly, have better things to do whereas you may not. >>> >>> If you’re not going to constructively contribute, don’t. You’re >>> just wasting your time, my time and everyone else’s. >>> >>> Cheers! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> On 13 Jul 2015, at 14:07, Allan Irving >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> I wasn’t aware there was an IRC channel so that does change >>>> everything. >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 13 Jul 2015, at 14:00, Warner <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> To be fair, Slack would replace IRC if anything. The >>>>> mailing list serves as a separate and complementary >>>>> purpose. >>>>> >>>>> I suspect Allan may not have been aware of or participated >>>>> on the IRC channel. >>>>> >>>>> Apples, oranges -- all that. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Warner >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 08:50:53AM -0400, Allan >>>>> West([email protected]) wrote: >>>>>> On 2015/07/12 04:58, Allan Irving wrote: >>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> How do we feel about trailing Slack instead of >>>>>>> discussion lists? I am of the belief that it would be >>>>>>> far better and also has more features than email. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://slack.realm.io is an example of how easy it is >>>>>>> for users to sign up - much like Mailman offers a sign >>>>>>> up screen. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Allan >>>>>> >>>>>> I have to use email every day, therefore I prefer to get >>>>>> information through email. The cool toy of the week >>>>>> (usenet, gopher, AOL, web, IRC, MySpace Twitter, >>>>>> Facebook, whatever) comes and goes, but mailing list >>>>>> messages always gets to me. >>>>>> >>>>>> I don't have time to pull data (i.e. "follow") on any >>>>>> regular basis. Unless you can push to me, I'll never hear >>>>>> you. >>>>>> >>>>>> But what do I know? I only unplugged my VCR this past >>>>>> weekend. >8^) (another) Allan >>>>> _______________________________________________ Discuss >>>>> mailing list [email protected] >>>>> https://lists.lopsa.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>>>> This list provided by the League of Professional System >>>>> Administrators http://lopsa.org/ >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ Discuss >>>> mailing list [email protected] >>>> https://lists.lopsa.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss This >>>> list provided by the League of Professional System >>>> Administrators http://lopsa.org/ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ Discuss mailing >>> list [email protected] >>> https://lists.lopsa.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss This >>> list provided by the League of Professional System >>> Administrators http://lopsa.org/ >> >> _______________________________________________ Discuss mailing >> list [email protected] >> https://lists.lopsa.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss This >> list provided by the League of Professional System >> Administrators http://lopsa.org/ > _______________________________________________ Discuss mailing > list [email protected] > https://lists.lopsa.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss This list > provided by the League of Professional System Administrators > http://lopsa.org/ > - -- I prefer to use encrypted mail. My public key fingerprint is FD6A 6990 F035 DE9E 3713 B4F1 661B 3AD6 D82A BBD0. You can download it at http://www.megacity.org/gpg_dballing.txt Learn how to encrypt your email with the E-Mail Self Defense Guide: https://emailselfdefense.fsf.org/en/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0 Comment: GPGTools - https://gpgtools.org iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJVo8iAAAoJEGYbOtbYKrvQq5MQALM5fLYWdncBpxcwoKyRkiyU lvTKsMiVkoivnsIqpQG70K53Su3NKwIJw8U9XvmBKt91aDTwQCN6Mqlln7jHB1tS AcH8dCixwtmzI/nGydTD8jseBN6vsXr9esxdWPvDyIPp+Q/VbtCwvrYsn4hvNBm/ kmFnFaLALHFAI+NgFIdkOrtdc8QzqTQJJXsIMtU1/h1haU4Y+DqRBCbYlSBsSuhI K2v9vTAqVMq6Go++dZNXVAYOFWHdd8Zg3ktB9ZYPc1Zv12UmuxN/Q2u1okkur3Nm PtEesMGwA1GWIihBjL7+yE52xcSjPsqbK20HFnCZori63Bv6BHdzWgbNoXc18W8s H91Nr/s9iz2nZNegq6TWnSxb8oJAmf+cm/n7ISYHF9bv8rch+EzCeVH2+WCyDpe+ zGdMfxBWZccREyQQLkAeqin2kGAcC7zfuyslOD+dhmG6TAv7M7H3z8IKdVvVXieL Ev3/ZWrhrhhRVrd2yO4k/SJ2aCjGC0dBWrtGKWf4BTbRwwzciqJLz3TreeJY2IUl MXSc81j0gleSZ3+8h29fO6tgwfFqStM/1Nrfrx1j6hk5HaTH4pMwMP1wbvEAss4q aRm/bHXXNVv94Lu134Ovgj1ZK3oC3GBE1CXwKWLoYFs1eqIn2Q1OWScAFU+1rjsN 1DLj4pi/R3GdzTwDS2rG =p39m -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Discuss mailing list [email protected] https://lists.lopsa.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss This list provided by the League of Professional System Administrators http://lopsa.org/
