Terribly off-topic now, so feel free to stop reading...

----- "Brian Russo" <br...@beruna.org> wrote:

> It wasn't directed at you Chris, nor specifically at anyone.
> 
> I just think the general tone of this conversation is pretty
> unproductive. Sure people have reasons about "being" strategic"
> everything but maybe it's just how I'm reading it but I just see the
> old, familiar tones of the "Free Software Movement" which is "do it
> my
> way (100% free) or the highway". I don't think that helps anyone..

You can take it on faith or a Google that I'm pragmatic on the issue. I've 
explained why I think .net is a poor strategic choice, and that my motivations 
are strategic. I am all too well aware that many IT decisions are based on 
convenience and short term outlook, and pretty sure that's a major factor in...

> 
> It's all well and good if you're in a small organisation with 300 pcs
> or whatever like Chris P and you have that sort of latitude.. but
> people forget that most organisations aren't driven by cost or
> ideology - they're driven by business value. Openness is no different
> than being Green/Sustainable. It has to make good business sense in
> order to be the right decision. I can't go to my bosses and say "we
> have to do this because it's open source". They won't care and I
> don't
> blame them.

...not realising high or often any business value. Business value is where what 
you expend money and get more in return than you spent. Incredibly easy to 
measure in small businesses with few employees and a simple business model, 
harder the larger the business or the more complex the concept of value becomes 
e.g. in a charity or government organisation. There is good evidence that 
collectively western economies have spent more on IT than they have realised in 
value.

The business case is not simple, any more than it is in marketing; but here's 
my base position in simple terms. I select solutions that maximise our future 
choices and reduce our costs; a further benefit is derived if I can move any 
remaining costs from fixed annual overhead to per employee or pure capital; 
while there may be short term pain as people get used to the changes, any 
increase in costs for that short period will be more than offset by the long 
term decrease in costs and increases in flexibility for the organisation. 

Luckily for me I don't have to justify to others other than in my long term 
results. I'm aware that this continues to be a rare privilege for the top of 
the information systems tree and that many organisations continue to not have 
technical expertise at the highest level, resulting in many decisions in that 
area being taken with the wrong information and wrong motivations. I'm working 
on that too.

There are other aspects to openness that may derive negative value for some 
organisations e.g. opening data - great for archaeology, bankruptcy for 
marketing companies, a matter for the courts for financial companies. But open 
source solutions for your organisation's IT has no downsides. Unless there are 
no open source solutions that can be made to do the job.

Sorry this thread has deteriorated into a management philosophy discussion. I'm 
here mostly for the open, I'm not so strong on the geospatial...

Cheers

Chris


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