hmmmm. I'm thinking maybe that might help with my odd losing
interaction issue? maybe that's the reason voiceover is losing
interaction with the table. I don't see a way to turn them off, but
maybe there is.
On 12-Sep-08, at 11:40 AM, Randy Stegall wrote:
Esther,
I have some vision so I can see that something is happening on the
screen but can't read it. What I have noticed is that tooltips
appear from time to time and when this occurs voiceover loses
focus. I don't know if there is a way to turn tooltips off but
there should be. I have seen this in other programs as well.
Randy
On Sep 12, 2008, at 1:12 PM, Esther wrote:
Hi Chris,
OK, this has been unstable, and sometimes I can't simply tab
between the fields. However, when I can tab between the browser
areas, I'm getting the announcements for Album, Artist, and Album
again. I've been playing with my navigation setttings, but I can't
get this sorted. However, I was finding this more erratic in
Leopard just before the update to iTunes 8.0 and it seems to be a
VoiceOver focus issue. If you tab through to Artists and then
interact with the browser you'll be at the Album column, If you
interact at any time after your tab reaches the browser you always
end up in the Album column. I've tried changing the Navigation
settings for the initial position of the VoiceOver Cursor (first
item in window or Keyboard focused item). I've also tried turning
keyboard tracking off, restarting VoiceOver, and restarting my
machine. I've played with the various level of F4 (and F3) keys to
try to move VoiceOver focus to keyboard focus, etc.
If I go into the browser and query what's happening with my cursor
(assuming I have cursor tracking turned on), it's in the browser,
but not focused on a column (as I expect; same behavior in other
areas I tab to). As soon as I interact, it jumps to the Artist
column.
As I said, I've been finding small instabilities in cursor focus
coming into Leopard before the iTunes release. Some of these are
associated with turning cursor tracking on and off, but the really
weird (and reproducible ones) came when I was using mouse keys and
stated getting messages about "zoom" being off or on, when
I hadn't had zoom active, and was turning mouse keys on and off.
This also seemed to have some interaction with sticky keys ---
another Universal Access feature I hadn't used, but tried, just to
find out how odd the messages would get.
I think this has something to do with reports that they stabilized
the VoiceOver focus behavior under zoom mode, but there are now
some odd focus instabilities that occasionallly crop up.
The only thing I can add to the odd browser behavior in iTunes is
that I was finding this to be unstable (though not quite with the
same symptoms) just before updating to iTunes 8. I could not
reliably tab to the browser fields all the time as I could in
Tiger. In some instances I had to VO-right arrow. There have been
other minor focus incidents (like having to "fiddle" around to set
the date and location on a new Mac, when this was straightforward
in Tiger), but I put that down to not having applied software
update at that point to go up to 10.5.4.
So there is something odd about focus and the browser, but I think
I've been seeing underpinnings of this before the iTunes update.
Cheers.
Esther
On Sep 12, 2008, at 3:57 AM, Chris Gilland wrote:
so basicly you're saying vo twice to the browser, then from there
to get between to the browser fields like x artists, y albums,
would I vo right again to reach those, and must I interact with
each of the browser fields?
Chris.
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Subject: Re: ITunes Browser's acting really weird.
Chris,
I'm finding that tabbing navigation in iTunes and Automator works
differently in Leopard than in Tiger, so I can't simply tab
between Source table, Search Text Field, and Songs List ( or
Browser fields and Songs List). As David said, you'll have to VO-
right arrow twice from the Search text field to get to the
browser. I'm also finding that keyboard focus and VoiceOver
focus don't seem to be tracking as cleanly in Leopard 10.5.4 as
in Tiger 10.4.11.
OK guys, this is kind a strange, I'll admit. OK, let's say I
wanna do a
search for Leann Rimes in my library. OK, so, I'm in the
sources list,
not
interacting with it, just sitting on it basicly. OK, now, I
tab over,
until
I reach the search box and hear I'm at the beginning of the
insertion
point.
BTW, just to clarify, I am speaking that this happens to me
under Leopard.
In Tiger I don't see this issue, but in Leopard I do. Anyway,
ok, so I
type
Leann Rimes, then I hit tab. I then hear absolutely nothing.
if I down
arrow, I hear nothing. If I tab, I hear maybe like 3 albums,
however if I
down arrow, I now hear country. So, it's like, it's throwing
me into the
genre field of the browser. now if I tab I get say 3 albums
again. If I
down arrow, then I see the albums, but, instead a doing that,
if I shift
tab
back twice, now, I'm finally on where it says maybe 2 or 3
artists. Then if
I down arrow, I get the list of artists. I find this not only
very bazaar,
but incredibly annoying as I never really know what parta the
browser I'm in.
Cheers,
Esther
