I don't think it does, Chris. That seems to work with dialog boxes
from my experience.
Randy
On Sep 12, 2008, at 3:46 PM, Chris Gilland wrote:
Hmm, now that! is interesting. I wonder if we went under the speech
setting in system prefs, and told it to speak alert msgs, if that
would maybe read those tooltips. Probably not, but it's certainly
worth a shot.
Chris.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Randy Stegall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 2:40 PM
Subject: Re: ITunes Browser's acting really weird.
Esther,
I have some vision so I can see that something is happening on the
screen but can't read it. What I have noticed is that tooltips
appear from time to time and when this occurs voiceover loses
focus. I don't know if there is a way to turn tooltips off but
there should be. I have seen this in other programs as well.
Randy
On Sep 12, 2008, at 1:12 PM, Esther wrote:
Hi Chris,
OK, this has been unstable, and sometimes I can't simply tab
between the fields. However, when I can tab between the browser
areas, I'm getting the announcements for Album, Artist, and Album
again. I've been playing with my navigation setttings, but I
can't get this sorted. However, I was finding this more erratic
in Leopard just before the update to iTunes 8.0 and it seems to
be a VoiceOver focus issue. If you tab through to Artists and
then interact with the browser you'll be at the Album column, If
you interact at any time after your tab reaches the browser you
always end up in the Album column. I've tried changing the
Navigation settings for the initial position of the VoiceOver
Cursor (first item in window or Keyboard focused item). I've
also tried turning keyboard tracking off, restarting VoiceOver,
and restarting my machine. I've played with the various level of
F4 (and F3) keys to try to move VoiceOver focus to keyboard
focus, etc.
If I go into the browser and query what's happening with my cursor
(assuming I have cursor tracking turned on), it's in the browser,
but not focused on a column (as I expect; same behavior in other
areas I tab to). As soon as I interact, it jumps to the Artist
column.
As I said, I've been finding small instabilities in cursor focus
coming into Leopard before the iTunes release. Some of these are
associated with turning cursor tracking on and off, but the
really weird (and reproducible ones) came when I was using mouse
keys and stated getting messages about "zoom" being off or on, when
I hadn't had zoom active, and was turning mouse keys on and off.
This also seemed to have some interaction with sticky keys ---
another Universal Access feature I hadn't used, but tried, just
to find out how odd the messages would get.
I think this has something to do with reports that they
stabilized the VoiceOver focus behavior under zoom mode, but
there are now some odd focus instabilities that occasionallly
crop up.
The only thing I can add to the odd browser behavior in iTunes is
that I was finding this to be unstable (though not quite with the
same symptoms) just before updating to iTunes 8. I could not
reliably tab to the browser fields all the time as I could in
Tiger. In some instances I had to VO-right arrow. There have
been other minor focus incidents (like having to "fiddle" around
to set the date and location on a new Mac, when this was
straightforward in Tiger), but I put that down to not having
applied software update at that point to go up to 10.5.4.
So there is something odd about focus and the browser, but I
think I've been seeing underpinnings of this before the iTunes
update.
Cheers.
Esther
On Sep 12, 2008, at 3:57 AM, Chris Gilland wrote:
so basicly you're saying vo twice to the browser, then from
there to get between to the browser fields like x artists, y
albums, would I vo right again to reach those, and must I
interact with each of the browser fields?
Chris.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Esther" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of
Mac OS X by theblind" <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 9:27 AM
Subject: Re: ITunes Browser's acting really weird.
Chris,
I'm finding that tabbing navigation in iTunes and Automator
works differently in Leopard than in Tiger, so I can't simply
tab between Source table, Search Text Field, and Songs List
( or Browser fields and Songs List). As David said, you'll have
to VO- right arrow twice from the Search text field to get to
the browser. I'm also finding that keyboard focus and
VoiceOver focus don't seem to be tracking as cleanly in Leopard
10.5.4 as in Tiger 10.4.11.
OK guys, this is kind a strange, I'll admit. OK, let's say I
wanna do a
search for Leann Rimes in my library. OK, so, I'm in the
sources list,
not
interacting with it, just sitting on it basicly. OK, now, I
tab over,
until
I reach the search box and hear I'm at the beginning of the
insertion
point.
BTW, just to clarify, I am speaking that this happens to me
under Leopard.
In Tiger I don't see this issue, but in Leopard I do.
Anyway, ok, so I
type
Leann Rimes, then I hit tab. I then hear absolutely
nothing. if I down
arrow, I hear nothing. If I tab, I hear maybe like 3 albums,
however if I
down arrow, I now hear country. So, it's like, it's throwing
me into the
genre field of the browser. now if I tab I get say 3 albums
again. If I
down arrow, then I see the albums, but, instead a doing that,
if I shift
tab
back twice, now, I'm finally on where it says maybe 2 or 3
artists. Then if
I down arrow, I get the list of artists. I find this not
only very bazaar,
but incredibly annoying as I never really know what parta the
browser I'm in.
Cheers,
Esther
