Hmm, now that! is interesting. I wonder if we went under the speech setting
in system prefs, and told it to speak alert msgs, if that would maybe read
those tooltips. Probably not, but it's certainly worth a shot.
Chris.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Randy Stegall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac OS X by
theblind" <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 2:40 PM
Subject: Re: ITunes Browser's acting really weird.
Esther,
I have some vision so I can see that something is happening on the screen
but can't read it. What I have noticed is that tooltips appear from time
to time and when this occurs voiceover loses focus. I don't know if
there is a way to turn tooltips off but there should be. I have seen
this in other programs as well.
Randy
On Sep 12, 2008, at 1:12 PM, Esther wrote:
Hi Chris,
OK, this has been unstable, and sometimes I can't simply tab between the
fields. However, when I can tab between the browser areas, I'm getting
the announcements for Album, Artist, and Album again. I've been playing
with my navigation setttings, but I can't get this sorted. However, I
was finding this more erratic in Leopard just before the update to
iTunes 8.0 and it seems to be a VoiceOver focus issue. If you tab
through to Artists and then interact with the browser you'll be at the
Album column, If you interact at any time after your tab reaches the
browser you always end up in the Album column. I've tried changing the
Navigation settings for the initial position of the VoiceOver Cursor
(first item in window or Keyboard focused item). I've also tried
turning keyboard tracking off, restarting VoiceOver, and restarting my
machine. I've played with the various level of F4 (and F3) keys to try
to move VoiceOver focus to keyboard focus, etc.
If I go into the browser and query what's happening with my cursor
(assuming I have cursor tracking turned on), it's in the browser, but
not focused on a column (as I expect; same behavior in other areas I tab
to). As soon as I interact, it jumps to the Artist column.
As I said, I've been finding small instabilities in cursor focus coming
into Leopard before the iTunes release. Some of these are associated
with turning cursor tracking on and off, but the really weird (and
reproducible ones) came when I was using mouse keys and stated getting
messages about "zoom" being off or on, when
I hadn't had zoom active, and was turning mouse keys on and off. This
also seemed to have some interaction with sticky keys --- another
Universal Access feature I hadn't used, but tried, just to find out how
odd the messages would get.
I think this has something to do with reports that they stabilized the
VoiceOver focus behavior under zoom mode, but there are now some odd
focus instabilities that occasionallly crop up.
The only thing I can add to the odd browser behavior in iTunes is that I
was finding this to be unstable (though not quite with the same
symptoms) just before updating to iTunes 8. I could not reliably tab to
the browser fields all the time as I could in Tiger. In some instances
I had to VO-right arrow. There have been other minor focus incidents
(like having to "fiddle" around to set the date and location on a new
Mac, when this was straightforward in Tiger), but I put that down to not
having applied software update at that point to go up to 10.5.4.
So there is something odd about focus and the browser, but I think I've
been seeing underpinnings of this before the iTunes update.
Cheers.
Esther
On Sep 12, 2008, at 3:57 AM, Chris Gilland wrote:
so basicly you're saying vo twice to the browser, then from there to
get between to the browser fields like x artists, y albums, would I vo
right again to reach those, and must I interact with each of the
browser fields?
Chris.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Esther" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac OS X
by theblind" <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 9:27 AM
Subject: Re: ITunes Browser's acting really weird.
Chris,
I'm finding that tabbing navigation in iTunes and Automator works
differently in Leopard than in Tiger, so I can't simply tab between
Source table, Search Text Field, and Songs List ( or Browser fields
and Songs List). As David said, you'll have to VO- right arrow twice
from the Search text field to get to the browser. I'm also finding
that keyboard focus and VoiceOver focus don't seem to be tracking as
cleanly in Leopard 10.5.4 as in Tiger 10.4.11.
OK guys, this is kind a strange, I'll admit. OK, let's say I wanna
do a
search for Leann Rimes in my library. OK, so, I'm in the sources
list,
not
interacting with it, just sitting on it basicly. OK, now, I tab
over,
until
I reach the search box and hear I'm at the beginning of the
insertion
point.
BTW, just to clarify, I am speaking that this happens to me under
Leopard.
In Tiger I don't see this issue, but in Leopard I do. Anyway, ok,
so I
type
Leann Rimes, then I hit tab. I then hear absolutely nothing. if I
down
arrow, I hear nothing. If I tab, I hear maybe like 3 albums,
however if I
down arrow, I now hear country. So, it's like, it's throwing me
into the
genre field of the browser. now if I tab I get say 3 albums again.
If I
down arrow, then I see the albums, but, instead a doing that, if I
shift
tab
back twice, now, I'm finally on where it says maybe 2 or 3 artists.
Then if
I down arrow, I get the list of artists. I find this not only very
bazaar,
but incredibly annoying as I never really know what parta the
browser I'm in.
Cheers,
Esther
