you can turn off the genious side bar and that helps. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jessi Rathwell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac OS X by theblind" <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 3:09 PM Subject: Re: ITunes Browser's acting really weird.
hmmmm. I'm thinking maybe that might help with my odd losing interaction issue? maybe that's the reason voiceover is losing interaction with the table. I don't see a way to turn them off, but maybe there is. On 12-Sep-08, at 11:40 AM, Randy Stegall wrote: > Esther, > > I have some vision so I can see that something is happening on the > screen but can't read it. What I have noticed is that tooltips > appear from time to time and when this occurs voiceover loses > focus. I don't know if there is a way to turn tooltips off but > there should be. I have seen this in other programs as well. > > Randy > On Sep 12, 2008, at 1:12 PM, Esther wrote: > >> Hi Chris, >> >> OK, this has been unstable, and sometimes I can't simply tab >> between the fields. However, when I can tab between the browser >> areas, I'm getting the announcements for Album, Artist, and Album >> again. I've been playing with my navigation setttings, but I can't >> get this sorted. However, I was finding this more erratic in >> Leopard just before the update to iTunes 8.0 and it seems to be a >> VoiceOver focus issue. If you tab through to Artists and then >> interact with the browser you'll be at the Album column, If you >> interact at any time after your tab reaches the browser you always >> end up in the Album column. I've tried changing the Navigation >> settings for the initial position of the VoiceOver Cursor (first >> item in window or Keyboard focused item). I've also tried turning >> keyboard tracking off, restarting VoiceOver, and restarting my >> machine. I've played with the various level of F4 (and F3) keys to >> try to move VoiceOver focus to keyboard focus, etc. >> >> If I go into the browser and query what's happening with my cursor >> (assuming I have cursor tracking turned on), it's in the browser, >> but not focused on a column (as I expect; same behavior in other >> areas I tab to). As soon as I interact, it jumps to the Artist >> column. >> >> As I said, I've been finding small instabilities in cursor focus >> coming into Leopard before the iTunes release. Some of these are >> associated with turning cursor tracking on and off, but the really >> weird (and reproducible ones) came when I was using mouse keys and >> stated getting messages about "zoom" being off or on, when >> I hadn't had zoom active, and was turning mouse keys on and off. >> This also seemed to have some interaction with sticky keys --- >> another Universal Access feature I hadn't used, but tried, just to >> find out how odd the messages would get. >> >> I think this has something to do with reports that they stabilized >> the VoiceOver focus behavior under zoom mode, but there are now >> some odd focus instabilities that occasionallly crop up. >> >> The only thing I can add to the odd browser behavior in iTunes is >> that I was finding this to be unstable (though not quite with the >> same symptoms) just before updating to iTunes 8. I could not >> reliably tab to the browser fields all the time as I could in >> Tiger. In some instances I had to VO-right arrow. There have been >> other minor focus incidents (like having to "fiddle" around to set >> the date and location on a new Mac, when this was straightforward >> in Tiger), but I put that down to not having applied software >> update at that point to go up to 10.5.4. >> >> So there is something odd about focus and the browser, but I think >> I've been seeing underpinnings of this before the iTunes update. >> >> Cheers. >> >> Esther >> On Sep 12, 2008, at 3:57 AM, Chris Gilland wrote: >> >>> so basicly you're saying vo twice to the browser, then from there >>> to get between to the browser fields like x artists, y albums, >>> would I vo right again to reach those, and must I interact with >>> each of the browser fields? >>> >>> Chris. >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Esther" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac >>> OS X by theblind" <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 9:27 AM >>> Subject: Re: ITunes Browser's acting really weird. >>> >>> >>>> Chris, >>>> >>>> I'm finding that tabbing navigation in iTunes and Automator works >>>> differently in Leopard than in Tiger, so I can't simply tab >>>> between Source table, Search Text Field, and Songs List ( or >>>> Browser fields and Songs List). As David said, you'll have to VO- >>>> right arrow twice from the Search text field to get to the >>>> browser. I'm also finding that keyboard focus and VoiceOver >>>> focus don't seem to be tracking as cleanly in Leopard 10.5.4 as >>>> in Tiger 10.4.11. >>>> >>>> >>>>>> OK guys, this is kind a strange, I'll admit. OK, let's say I >>>>>> wanna do a >>>>>> search for Leann Rimes in my library. OK, so, I'm in the >>>>>> sources list, >>>>>> not >>>>>> interacting with it, just sitting on it basicly. OK, now, I >>>>>> tab over, >>>>>> until >>>>>> I reach the search box and hear I'm at the beginning of the >>>>>> insertion >>>>>> point. >>>>>> BTW, just to clarify, I am speaking that this happens to me >>>>>> under Leopard. >>>>>> In Tiger I don't see this issue, but in Leopard I do. Anyway, >>>>>> ok, so I >>>>>> type >>>>>> Leann Rimes, then I hit tab. I then hear absolutely nothing. >>>>>> if I down >>>>>> arrow, I hear nothing. If I tab, I hear maybe like 3 albums, >>>>>> however if I >>>>>> down arrow, I now hear country. So, it's like, it's throwing >>>>>> me into the >>>>>> genre field of the browser. now if I tab I get say 3 albums >>>>>> again. If I >>>>>> down arrow, then I see the albums, but, instead a doing that, >>>>>> if I shift >>>>>> tab >>>>>> back twice, now, I'm finally on where it says maybe 2 or 3 >>>>>> artists. Then if >>>> >>>>>> I down arrow, I get the list of artists. I find this not only >>>>>> very bazaar, >>>> >>>>>> but incredibly annoying as I never really know what parta the >>>>>> browser I'm in. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> Esther >>> >>> >> >> > >
