Leave the 1' x 1' window in the door and be prepared to have one or more
deranged homeless creatures standing outside, looking in at all hours of
the day and night.

Install a peephole and deny them the pleasure of counting the number of
people in residence and watching them go about their business.

SH is not a like a zoo, where the occupants are on display.

IMO, a peephole is far superior to a pane of glass.


On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 11:38 PM, Philip P. Patnode <ppatn...@gmail.com>wrote:

> BTW, I was careful to make a suggestion, not create a policy.
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 11:37 PM, Philip P. Patnode <ppatn...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> On the subject of working alone, being safe.
>>
>> I knew a dentist who cut off his left hand while using a table saw,
>> working alone in his garage.
>>
>> The paperboy found him on the floor in a pool of gooey red liquid.  Damn
>> near killed him.
>>
>> Being the moron he was, he tried to show his friend how the accident
>> happened and cut off his right hand.
>>
>> He now divorced, depressed, unemployed and eats with hooks and claws.
>>
>> It is obviously up the the individual to make the choice to work alone or
>> with somebody around.
>>
>> To each his own at SH, with variable risk.
>>
>> For me, I prefer another warm body within yelling distance.
>>
>> PPP
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 11:30 PM, Chris Egeland 
>> <ch...@chrisegeland.com>wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 10:58 PM, Philip P. Patnode 
>>> <ppatn...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> In the interest of safety, I strongly suggest that nobody is ever alone
>>>> in the space, day or night.
>>>>
>>> I don't like the idea of this becoming a policy.  If you are afraid to
>>> visit the space alone because you are afraid of a flying wombat attacking
>>> you at SYN/HAK, then feel free to personally employ the buddy system to
>>> ensure your safety.  However, the concept of "never allowing a single
>>> person alone in the space" defeats the purpose of the space.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> The *buddy system* works for divers, climbers, soldiers, and bar
>>>> hoppers.
>>>>
>>> Yes.  And those are all activities that have inherent dangers.
>>>  Drowning, falling, enemy fire, and beer goggles all have inherent risks.
>>>  While we have inherent risks at SYN/HAK, to say that it is dangerous as
>>> diving, rock-climbing, or warfighting is outright wrong.  Many activities
>>> that people engage in at SYN/HAK carry less risk than driving to the space
>>> to engage in said activities.
>>>
>>> If I'm working on a project on my laptop and no one else is around, what
>>> are my risks?  Repetitive stress injury?
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Working at SH with at least one other person on the property will
>>>> increase the level of safety for all involved.
>>>>
>>> It also reduces the usability of the space for certain people.  I know
>>> of at least one person that enjoys coming to the space during hours that no
>>> one else is around for time to "decompress" and not deal with social
>>> interaction.  Introverted people who wish to come in and use a laptop for 2
>>> hours at 3AM on a Wednesday night might find a requirement that two people
>>> be present to be counter-intuitive and against what they originally signed
>>> up for.
>>>
>>> Additionally, this goes against our existing policy that any member is
>>> eligible to have 24/7 access.  It's no longer 24/7 access if you can't find
>>> someone else to go to SYN/HAK with you, or do not wish to find someone to
>>> go with you or meet you there,
>>>
>>>>
>>>> It is difficult to punch the 9 and 11 on your cellphone when you have
>>>> been hit over the head with a 2x4 or you have been mugged and no longer
>>>> have a cellphone.
>>>>
>>> True, if you're working with power tools or other heavy machinery, it is
>>> wise to employ the buddy system.  However, making it a mandated requirement
>>> isn't a good idea.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Also, add a *doorbell*
>>>>
>>> Work in progress
>>>
>>>>  and a *peephole* to the entrance.
>>>>
>>> Does the 1'x1' glass pane already in the door not count as a peephole?
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Do the exterior *lights* on the exterior front wall operate?  Are they
>>>> on a timer or an auto-sensor?
>>>>
>>> They've been on for like 4 days straight.  They are on a switch.  We are
>>> discussing putting them onto a timer or photocell for purposes of not
>>> running lights during sunlight hours.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Just some thoughts in the interest of everybody's well-being and
>>>> because I don't like visiting people in the hospital.
>>>>
>>>> PPP
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 5:48 PM, Torrie Fischer <
>>>> tdfisc...@hackerbots.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, January 23, 2014 16:28:06 Justin Herman wrote:
>>>>> > Since we are now part of downtown Akron we should be able to use the
>>>>> > Downtown Akron Partnership safety escorts during their Hours. Also
>>>>> if you
>>>>> > see something out of place and the Downtown Ambassadors are not
>>>>> available
>>>>> > dont hesitate to call the police Non Emergency 330-375-2490 or
>>>>> Emergency
>>>>> > 911.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > *To request a safety escort:*
>>>>> > Contact the duty supervisor by cell phone 330-706-7383.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > *To request a battery jump:*
>>>>> > Call 330-374-7612 or 330-706-7383.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > *To report a cleaning issue or a non-emergency safety concern:*
>>>>> > Call 330-374-7612 or e-mail s...@downtownakron.com.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Downtown Akron Partnership Poster:
>>>>> > http://www.downtownakron.com/_files/docs/who-to-call.pdf
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm making a quick document with these numbers to hang by the front
>>>>> door.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd also add them to the wiki, but I don't have time at the moment.
>>>>>
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > http://www.downtownakron.com/clean-and-safe/ambassadors/who-to-call
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 4:15 PM, a l <leit...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> > > It's Akron folks not south central LA. While being aware of your
>>>>> > > surroundings is sound advice regardless of geographic location the
>>>>> best
>>>>> > > way
>>>>> > > to win a fight is not to get in one. If it's late at night and
>>>>> you're
>>>>> > > alone
>>>>> > > at the space by all means leave the door locked. All the parking is
>>>>> > > relatively close and pretty well lit. If you encounter someone and
>>>>> feel
>>>>> > > uncomfortable just be polite and keep moving. Akron isn't a very
>>>>> violent
>>>>> > > city.
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > in excellence,
>>>>> > > Andrew L
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > On Jan 23, 2014 4:25 AM, "Andrew Buczko" <a4s...@dsprototyping.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> > >> Akron is a bad part of Akron.
>>>>> > >>
>>>>> > >> Hopefully SynHak can make it better.
>>>>> > >>
>>>>> > >>
>>>>> > >> On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 11:23 PM, Torrie Fischer <
>>>>> > >>
>>>>> > >> tdfisc...@hackerbots.net> wrote:
>>>>> > >>> On Jan 22, 2014 5:17 PM, Martin Pinkston <
>>>>> martinpinks...@gmail.com>
>>>>> > >>>
>>>>> > >>> wrote:
>>>>> > >>> > I don't know if anyone has really taken serious notice of the
>>>>> local
>>>>> > >>>
>>>>> > >>> foot traffic at Summit yet or not.
>>>>> > >>>
>>>>> > >>> > However, it generally appears to be homeless individuals
>>>>> walking a
>>>>> > >>>
>>>>> > >>> "daily circuit" until the shelters open in the evening.
>>>>> > >>>
>>>>> > >>> > Not all homeless are violent; however, I have yet to see any
>>>>> > >>>
>>>>> > >>> unscrupulous person carrying a sign, warning of the potential for
>>>>> > >>> danger.
>>>>> > >>>
>>>>> > >>> > That being said, be aware of your surroundings at all times
>>>>> inside and
>>>>> > >>>
>>>>> > >>> outside the building.
>>>>> > >>>
>>>>> > >>> > A safe assumption would be everyone of them carries at least a
>>>>> box
>>>>> > >>>
>>>>> > >>> cutter for self defense.
>>>>> > >>>
>>>>> > >>> > Just my $.02
>>>>> > >>>
>>>>> > >>> ...and 21 W. North felt safer or something?
>>>>> > >>>
>>>>> > >>> > Take Care & Have fun Always.
>>>>> > >>> > Martin Pinkston RN
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