I'm sorry but are we're not 12 year olds coming to a hackersapce during the wee hours?
>SH is not a like a zoo We've had a live webcam running since before 21 W North street. Don't like it? Cover it while you're at the space. >Install a peephole and deny them the pleasure of counting the number of people in residence The door is at an angle, you look through the window at a wall. >I knew a dentist who cut off his left hand while using a table saw Does this mean that everyone needs their hand held at Synhak? We have safety equipment, required safety classes, liability waivers. What more is necessary to let adults be responsible for themselves? >be prepared to have one or more deranged homeless creatures standing outside I didn't realize there was a horde of the mentally unstable on its way to Akron. Really guys? This discussion has gone to another level, I understand that safety is paramount but its also sort of a given. Whether you're in downtown Akron or in a gated community it doesn't matter, there are plenty of ways and resources in Akron to stay safe and the responsibility is on everyone to be safe, ultimately there is nothing Synhak Inc. or anyone else can do to prevent every single possibility. Look out for eachother, fostering a warm envirnoment and not one of fear, if you see a problem fix it, be excellent to eachother. Humans will typically respond in kind, we don't have to fortify Synhak because a few apples could maybe possibly potentially be slightly or majorly bad. On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 11:44 PM, Philip P. Patnode <ppatn...@gmail.com>wrote: > Leave the 1' x 1' window in the door and be prepared to have one or more > deranged homeless creatures standing outside, looking in at all hours of > the day and night. > > Install a peephole and deny them the pleasure of counting the number of > people in residence and watching them go about their business. > > SH is not a like a zoo, where the occupants are on display. > > IMO, a peephole is far superior to a pane of glass. > > > On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 11:38 PM, Philip P. Patnode <ppatn...@gmail.com>wrote: > >> BTW, I was careful to make a suggestion, not create a policy. >> >> >> On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 11:37 PM, Philip P. Patnode >> <ppatn...@gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> On the subject of working alone, being safe. >>> >>> I knew a dentist who cut off his left hand while using a table saw, >>> working alone in his garage. >>> >>> The paperboy found him on the floor in a pool of gooey red liquid. Damn >>> near killed him. >>> >>> Being the moron he was, he tried to show his friend how the accident >>> happened and cut off his right hand. >>> >>> He now divorced, depressed, unemployed and eats with hooks and claws. >>> >>> It is obviously up the the individual to make the choice to work alone >>> or with somebody around. >>> >>> To each his own at SH, with variable risk. >>> >>> For me, I prefer another warm body within yelling distance. >>> >>> PPP >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 11:30 PM, Chris Egeland >>> <ch...@chrisegeland.com>wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 10:58 PM, Philip P. Patnode <ppatn...@gmail.com >>>> > wrote: >>>> >>>>> In the interest of safety, I strongly suggest that nobody is ever >>>>> alone in the space, day or night. >>>>> >>>> I don't like the idea of this becoming a policy. If you are afraid to >>>> visit the space alone because you are afraid of a flying wombat attacking >>>> you at SYN/HAK, then feel free to personally employ the buddy system to >>>> ensure your safety. However, the concept of "never allowing a single >>>> person alone in the space" defeats the purpose of the space. >>>> >>>>> >>>>> The *buddy system* works for divers, climbers, soldiers, and bar >>>>> hoppers. >>>>> >>>> Yes. And those are all activities that have inherent dangers. >>>> Drowning, falling, enemy fire, and beer goggles all have inherent risks. >>>> While we have inherent risks at SYN/HAK, to say that it is dangerous as >>>> diving, rock-climbing, or warfighting is outright wrong. Many activities >>>> that people engage in at SYN/HAK carry less risk than driving to the space >>>> to engage in said activities. >>>> >>>> If I'm working on a project on my laptop and no one else is around, >>>> what are my risks? Repetitive stress injury? >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Working at SH with at least one other person on the property will >>>>> increase the level of safety for all involved. >>>>> >>>> It also reduces the usability of the space for certain people. I know >>>> of at least one person that enjoys coming to the space during hours that no >>>> one else is around for time to "decompress" and not deal with social >>>> interaction. Introverted people who wish to come in and use a laptop for 2 >>>> hours at 3AM on a Wednesday night might find a requirement that two people >>>> be present to be counter-intuitive and against what they originally signed >>>> up for. >>>> >>>> Additionally, this goes against our existing policy that any member is >>>> eligible to have 24/7 access. It's no longer 24/7 access if you can't find >>>> someone else to go to SYN/HAK with you, or do not wish to find someone to >>>> go with you or meet you there, >>>> >>>>> >>>>> It is difficult to punch the 9 and 11 on your cellphone when you have >>>>> been hit over the head with a 2x4 or you have been mugged and no longer >>>>> have a cellphone. >>>>> >>>> True, if you're working with power tools or other heavy machinery, it >>>> is wise to employ the buddy system. However, making it a mandated >>>> requirement isn't a good idea. >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Also, add a *doorbell* >>>>> >>>> Work in progress >>>> >>>>> and a *peephole* to the entrance. >>>>> >>>> Does the 1'x1' glass pane already in the door not count as a peephole? >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Do the exterior *lights* on the exterior front wall operate? Are >>>>> they on a timer or an auto-sensor? >>>>> >>>> They've been on for like 4 days straight. They are on a switch. We >>>> are discussing putting them onto a timer or photocell for purposes of not >>>> running lights during sunlight hours. >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Just some thoughts in the interest of everybody's well-being and >>>>> because I don't like visiting people in the hospital. >>>>> >>>>> PPP >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 5:48 PM, Torrie Fischer < >>>>> tdfisc...@hackerbots.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Thursday, January 23, 2014 16:28:06 Justin Herman wrote: >>>>>> > Since we are now part of downtown Akron we should be able to use the >>>>>> > Downtown Akron Partnership safety escorts during their Hours. Also >>>>>> if you >>>>>> > see something out of place and the Downtown Ambassadors are not >>>>>> available >>>>>> > dont hesitate to call the police Non Emergency 330-375-2490 or >>>>>> Emergency >>>>>> > 911. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > *To request a safety escort:* >>>>>> > Contact the duty supervisor by cell phone 330-706-7383. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > *To request a battery jump:* >>>>>> > Call 330-374-7612 or 330-706-7383. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > *To report a cleaning issue or a non-emergency safety concern:* >>>>>> > Call 330-374-7612 or e-mail s...@downtownakron.com. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Downtown Akron Partnership Poster: >>>>>> > http://www.downtownakron.com/_files/docs/who-to-call.pdf >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm making a quick document with these numbers to hang by the front >>>>>> door. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'd also add them to the wiki, but I don't have time at the moment. >>>>>> >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > http://www.downtownakron.com/clean-and-safe/ambassadors/who-to-call >>>>>> > >>>>>> > On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 4:15 PM, a l <leit...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> > > It's Akron folks not south central LA. While being aware of your >>>>>> > > surroundings is sound advice regardless of geographic location >>>>>> the best >>>>>> > > way >>>>>> > > to win a fight is not to get in one. If it's late at night and >>>>>> you're >>>>>> > > alone >>>>>> > > at the space by all means leave the door locked. All the parking >>>>>> is >>>>>> > > relatively close and pretty well lit. If you encounter someone >>>>>> and feel >>>>>> > > uncomfortable just be polite and keep moving. Akron isn't a very >>>>>> violent >>>>>> > > city. >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > in excellence, >>>>>> > > Andrew L >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > On Jan 23, 2014 4:25 AM, "Andrew Buczko" < >>>>>> a4s...@dsprototyping.com> wrote: >>>>>> > >> Akron is a bad part of Akron. >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> Hopefully SynHak can make it better. >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 11:23 PM, Torrie Fischer < >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> tdfisc...@hackerbots.net> wrote: >>>>>> > >>> On Jan 22, 2014 5:17 PM, Martin Pinkston < >>>>>> martinpinks...@gmail.com> >>>>>> > >>> >>>>>> > >>> wrote: >>>>>> > >>> > I don't know if anyone has really taken serious notice of the >>>>>> local >>>>>> > >>> >>>>>> > >>> foot traffic at Summit yet or not. >>>>>> > >>> >>>>>> > >>> > However, it generally appears to be homeless individuals >>>>>> walking a >>>>>> > >>> >>>>>> > >>> "daily circuit" until the shelters open in the evening. >>>>>> > >>> >>>>>> > >>> > Not all homeless are violent; however, I have yet to see any >>>>>> > >>> >>>>>> > >>> unscrupulous person carrying a sign, warning of the potential >>>>>> for >>>>>> > >>> danger. >>>>>> > >>> >>>>>> > >>> > That being said, be aware of your surroundings at all times >>>>>> inside and >>>>>> > >>> >>>>>> > >>> outside the building. >>>>>> > >>> >>>>>> > >>> > A safe assumption would be everyone of them carries at least >>>>>> a box >>>>>> > >>> >>>>>> > >>> cutter for self defense. >>>>>> > >>> >>>>>> > >>> > Just my $.02 >>>>>> > >>> >>>>>> > >>> ...and 21 W. North felt safer or something? >>>>>> > >>> >>>>>> > >>> > Take Care & Have fun Always. >>>>>> > >>> > Martin Pinkston RN >>>>>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>>>>> > >>> > Discuss mailing list >>>>>> > >>> > Discuss@synhak.org >>>>>> > >>> > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>>>>> > >>> >>>>>> > >>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> > >>> Discuss mailing list >>>>>> > >>> Discuss@synhak.org >>>>>> > >>> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> > >> Discuss mailing list >>>>>> > >> Discuss@synhak.org >>>>>> > >> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > _______________________________________________ >>>>>> > > Discuss mailing list >>>>>> > > Discuss@synhak.org >>>>>> > > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Discuss mailing list >>>>>> Discuss@synhak.org >>>>>> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Discuss mailing list >>>>> Discuss@synhak.org >>>>> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Discuss mailing list >>>> Discuss@synhak.org >>>> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>>> >>> >>> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@synhak.org > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >
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