I also forgot conference. I suggest CF United for CF related work and
Adobe MAX for Flex realted work.
There is also CF Objective and CF Frameworks conferences as well.
This of course is subject to availability and cost for you or your
employer.
Teddy
On 12/27/06, Teddy Payne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Ajas,
> From what I read of your synopsis, you have the right idea going
> forward.
>
> The only thing that I would watch out for is the buzz word "Agile."
>
> I would call that a recent "fad" if you will. I would suggest reading
> about it and seeing what are the practical practices are.
>
> Your knowledge of the database will make your CF easier. I would
> recommend upgrading your SQL Server knowledge to include 2005. The
> transition is not that difficult.
>
> Oracle exposure is hard due to the cost typically for organizations.
> The same can be said about CF, but that is a die hard argument.
>
> Also, I recommend getting on CF mailing lists (House of Fusion). If you
> already have, that is great.
>
> Another approach is to help an open source project or create an open
> source project to get exposure with working with your community more.
>
> And lastly and always, attend your local CFUG to get local exposure. ;)
>
> Teddy
>
>
> On 12/27/06, Ajas Mohammed <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for all the replies. The comments from everyone make a lot of
> > sense. I guess I will try to work on my datastructures concept in either
> > java or C#. I have heard that majority of big companies like amazon ask
> > questions related to datastructures, OOP's concepts etc so learning them
> > might help in future.
> >
> > Just a quick overview of what I usually do so you guys can suggest
> > something to me. I am working in CF for almost 2 years now with SQL Server
> > 2000 as backend. Work involves development plus lot of maintenance. I also
> > work extensively on SQL Server using Procedures, T-SQL, DTS etc.
> > I have lot of interest in Web Technologies and in free time I work on
> > building websites and CSS being one of the hobbies. I am believer in best
> > practices, coding standards, commenting, Agile methodologies and I spend
> > good time reading books and visiting forums. Dont have big plans for now but
> > want to be an Web Architect or something like that. Trying to learn as much
> > CF as I can. I want to know about every CF feature or cool thing out there
> > and try it out. I have certifications in Oracle but didnt get much work
> > exposure in it. I have thoughts of becoming Jr Oracle DBA by making switch
> > but then I am not sure since I have already spent 2 yrs in CF and I think I
> > am mid level developer in that. I pretty much do any work given to me. Like
> > for Example I did Subversion setup & stuff in my company. So thats the
> > story. Some of my work
> >
> > http://geocities.com/masjid_annour/
> > http://impetusindia.org/
> > http://ajashadi.blogspot.com/2006/07/my-work-snapshots-please-comment.html
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks once again for all the help. I really appreciate your time and
> > patience.
> >
> > Ajas Mohammed.
> >
> >
> > On 12/27/06, Dean H. Saxe <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
> > >
> > > And the term architect or lead is also abused heavily in the
> > > industry. I can't tell you the number of "lead developers" or
> > > architects I have met who couldn't design an app or code for sh!t!
> > > Often times people wind up with these titles because they have N
> > > years experience... but it doesn't mean they actually know how to do
> > > anything worth a damn.
> > >
> > > -dhs
> > >
> > >
> > > Dean H. Saxe, CISSP, CEH
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > "Great spirits have often encountered violent opposition from weak
> > > minds."
> > > --Einstein
> > >
> > >
> > > On Dec 27, 2006, at 11:48 AM, Douglas Knudsen wrote:
> > >
> > > > adding to the cornucopia here, I'll add that the idea of a Lead or
> > >
> > > > Architect may vary greatly from company to company or within a
> > > > large organization. An Architect on team A using CF Technology
> > > > might have no knowledge of Java at all that a Architect on team B
> > > > does and conversely. Further more, their respective
> > > > responsibilities maybe quite different, one may even code whilst
> > > > the other lives in UML world.
> > > >
> > > > DK
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 12/27/06, Teddy Payne < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > I am a little late on this thread and Charlie has provided a
> > > > plethora of knowledge.
> > > >
> > > > To be a lead at anything, it first starts out with your personal
> > > > character. Can you lead well? Do people look to you? Are people
> > > > confident in your ability?
> > > >
> > > > I studied computer science before and really all you need is to
> > > > learn the theory of architecture. Let me stress the word "theory"
> > >
> > > > here. In computer science, you learn to apply the same pricipals
> > > > over and over again to languages that only differed in syntax or
> > > > implementation.
> > > >
> > > > Can you be a lead as a CF'er? Sure.
> > > > Does knowing OO help? You betcha.
> > > > Do I have to be uber Java guy to be an architect? Debateable.
> > > >
> > > > If you want to be an integration specialist, I would recommend
> > > > learning Java with CF. If you want to be a future lead, you will
> > > > have to learn to detach from code eventually. Higher and higher
> > > > levels of architects write less and less code.
> > > >
> > > > I have enjoyed my code for the past 10 years, but eventually I
> > > will
> > > > have to take the blue pill and come back to earth.
> > > >
> > > > Teddy
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 12/26/06, Charlie Arehart < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
> > > > Ajas, you're trying to draw me into answering your first 2
> > > > questions, which as you note I did not in my original reply.
> > > :-) I
> > > > don't want to try to get into that debate, to be honest. I don't
> > > > think there are clear answers. And I think we need to have much
> > > > more info about the place where you're asking if a CFML person
> > > > could be an architect. I think in some places, they could be, even
> > >
> > > > without OO experience. Certainly in others, they'd have to have
> > > it,
> > > > and in still others, even such experience might be ignored if they
> > > > also showed CF experience in the bulk of their resume. You can't
> > > > win all the battles out there.
> > > >
> > > > I will say that it certainly wouldn't hurt for a CFML developer to
> > >
> > > > learn more about OO and Java. But there are many (MANY) who still
> > > > never have and who make a comfortable living. Could they do their
> > > > jobs better with greater understanding of software engineering
> > > > principles? Sure. Is it necessary, not in most cases.
> > > >
> > > > The beauty of learning Java (over C#) is that you can so closely
> > > > integrate the two in CFML today. Again, this is something I've
> > > > written and spoken about a lot (as have others). I'll point you to
> > >
> > > > a May 2005 CFDJ article, "Getting Started Integrating CFML with
> > > > Java & .NET":
> > > >
> > > > http://coldfusion.sys-con.com/read/86127.htm
> > > >
> > > > There I make the case and point out other resources about
> > > CFML/Java
> > > > integration (and there are many, far more complete than mine). You
> > > > may note in the title that I also point out integration with .NET
> > > > (and by implication C#). That's easiest with BlueDragon.NET right
> > > > now but Scorpio (CF8) will also offer the ability to call .NET
> > > > objects. My point with all this addresses your last question to
> > > me
> > > > below, "Do you think switching technologies is a good idea?"). It
> > > > need not be an either/or proposition (CF vs Java/C#). You can "eat
> > > > your cake and have it too" (which is not only the original form of
> > >
> > > > the phrase, but also the more logical form).
> > > >
> > > > <image002.jpg>
> > > > /Charlie
> > > > http://www.carehart.org/blog/
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ajas
> > > > Mohammed
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 12:21 PM
> > > > To: discussion@acfug.org
> > > > Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] CF. Object oriented & its future.
> > > > General Questions.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi Charlie,
> > > > Thanks for the reply. It really helped a lot.
> > > In
> > > > your reply you mentioned,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > As for learning more about OO development in Java, if you're new
> > > to
> > > > that, I recommend Jacquie Barker's "Beginning Java Objects". Most
> > > > Java books presume you already understand OO (in my opinion) and
> > > > hers was one of the first to walk you through it gently (and
> > > > without requiring too much understanding of Java, either). In that
> > > > regard, it can be useful even for CFML folks looking to expand
> > > > their understanding.
> > > > Do you think as a CF developer who plans to become Lead/Architect,
> > > > learning java or Java objects might help. What I am trying to ask
> > > > is, if a person spends lets say 5 years of his experience in CF,
> > > > is he good enough to be an architect or does he needs to have Java
> > > > experience also to add weight for him to be considered for
> > > > Architect./Lead position??
> > > >
> > > > My main concern is that do I need to learn C#/Java. Lets say after
> > >
> > > > 5 years of experience CF, I shouldnt feel that I should have tried
> > > > C#/Java instead of just sticking to CF. Best way to avoid this
> > > > would be to learn something now, instead of waiting for a switch
> > > > later and I know its gonna be too late if I do it after 4-5 years.
> > > >
> > > > Any suggestions... Do you think switching technologies is a good
> > > > idea??
> > > >
> > > > Anyone with answers to question 1 & 2 i.e.
> > > > 1. My question is do you guys see potential in CF that a person
> > > can
> > > > after some years of experience treated as Lead or Architect.
> > > >
> > > > 2.Also do we have architects here in this group based of CF
> > > > experience only?
> > > >
> > > > Ajas.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 12/26/06, Charlie Arehart < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
> > > > Ajas, I'm sure others will have much more to say, but I want to
> > > > quickly resolve your fears and concerns b y pointing out that yes,
> > > > indeed, CFCs are the way in which CFML enables more object-like
> > > > development. No, I won't call it object-oriented as some will
> > > > contend with that specific term, but an affirmative answer for
> > > your
> > > > last questions is a sign of how far CFML has evolved since its
> > > > being labeled early on (and being still regarded by many) as "just
> > >
> > > > a tag-based scripting language".
> > > >
> > > > To your question 3, yes, by using CFCs your CFML applications can
> > > > "have classes and stuff like that". CFCs can be thought of as
> > > > classes, with methods and properties, and even inheritance. Pretty
> > >
> > > > much whatever you learn in any resource on object-based
> > > development
> > > > will apply to CFML--but I will point out as well that there are
> > > > indeed many folks who use CFCs and never apply them in a real OO
> > > > way. Your example of using them for web services is one of them.
> > > > Another is their use as effectively buckets of what would be
> > > called
> > > > "static" methods--they don't try to persist (or rely on
> > > persistence
> > > > of) any sort of state data. There's nothing wrong with that, and
> > > > it's clearly "a" form of reuse, but it's not really on par with
> > > > what you'll read/learn about regarding true OO-style programming.
> > > >
> > > > I'll let others point out what they think are good resources to
> > > > learn and apply CFCs in a more OO way. As for learning more about
> > > > OO development in Java, if you're new to that, I recommend Jacquie
> > >
> > > > Barker's "Beginning Java Objects". Most Java books presume you
> > > > already understand OO (in my opinion) and hers was one of the
> > > first
> > > > to walk you through it gently (and without requiring too much
> > > > understanding of Java, either). In that regard, it can be useful
> > > > even for CFML folks looking to expand their understanding.
> > > >
> > > > The same dilemma will apply to some resources out there that
> > > > discuss using CFCs in a more OO-like way: they presume you already
> > > > understand the "why" and focus instead on the "how", or on
> > > > implementation using some specific style or pattern, again
> > > > presuming you understand patterns. For that, I'll recommend
> > > > Shalloway's "Design Patterns Explained".
> > > >
> > > > All this is about the evolution of a CFML developer to greater
> > > > levels of software engineering appreciation. Going to your earlier
> > >
> > > > points, I don't think it's NECESSARY for a CFML developer to learn
> > > > them, but it will certainly help for some work and some projects,
> > > > and will over time improve all projects one works on. It's very
> > > > much a mind-shift. In fact, in 2001 I wrote about why I thought it
> > > > would be very challenging for some to make the transition. At the
> > > > time, I was writing on the transition to J2EE, but it's really as
> > > > much about the transition to OO. You may find it helpful: http://
> > > > jdj.sys-con.com/read/36679.htm
> > > >
> > > > To your question 4, yes, CFCs can be represented as being in
> > > > packages. Indeed, there is an ACCESS attribute of CFFUNCTION (the
> > > > way to define methods in CFCs) which is corollary to the access
> > > > modifier in Java, and it supports public, private, and package, to
> > >
> > > > name a few.
> > > >
> > > > To your question 5, there is indeed an API tool. In CFMX you can
> > > > browse a CFC (literally, just browse the CFC name as if it was a
> > > > URL) and CF will present an API interface showing the properties,
> > > > methods, and more. You do need to have the RDS (not Admin)
> > > password
> > > > to access that, and that's been a show-stopper for many. I wrote a
> > >
> > > > blog entry in 2003 showing how to disable or alter that, if
> > > > appropriate for your environment:
> > > >
> > > > http://cfmxplus.blogspot.com/2003/02/how-to-stop-requiring-rds-
> > > > password-for.html
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > <image002.jpg>
> > > > /Charlie
> > > > http://www.carehart.org/blog/
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ajas
> > > > Mohammed
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 8:28 AM
> > > > To: discussion@acfug.org
> > > > Subject: [ACFUG Discuss] CF. Object oriented & its future. General
> > > > Questions.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > > I am a CF developer and I had discussion with one of my
> > > friends
> > > > and he said if you want to be architect or lead, you need to have
> > > > understanding of objects/classes like how they used in java. He
> > > > said you are going no where and need to switch the technology if
> > > > you want to earn good money. The reason I have asked this question
> > >
> > > > is because many non-CF developers or architects think that CF just
> > > > tag based and they dont give respect to CF.
> > > >
> > > > 1. My question is do you guys see potential in CF that a person
> > > can
> > > > after some years of experience treated as Lead or Architect.
> > > >
> > > > 2.Also do we have architects here in this group based of CF
> > > > experience only?
> > > >
> > > > 3. We do only web development and we havent used CFC's except for
> > > > one place where we use it as webservice. How would someone compare
> > >
> > > > CF OO programming with something like java maybe. Can we have CF
> > > > applications have classes and stuff like that. If yes then what
> > > > would be a good starting point to learn & implement in that style
> > > > ( i.e. reusability).
> > > >
> > > > 4. Can we have packages in CF?
> > > >
> > > > 5. Is there a documentation tool in CF like JavaDoc tool in java
> > > > which creates documentation?
> > > >
> > > > I am so confused right now. Your suggestions are needed.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks in advance..
> > > >
> > > > Ajas Mohammed.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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