Fine, I accept what you say, now the only thing left to decide is if hamakor is going to give a hand to boycotting Israeli academy. I call everyone to boycott any lecture of RMS until he agrees to give up that silly notion.
Ely On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 8:55 AM, Ira Abramov <hama...@ira.abramov.org>wrote: > I thought we found a nice resolution here - RMS *wants* to speak in > Israel, he explained how we can go about it, he's still going to give talks > at the Palestinian venues and I bet he will use those to educate them about > how academic boycotting is a bad thing. He can't possibly gain anything by > saying now that he won't support academic boycotts, because then his trip > may be canceled. Stop calling it "selling his soul", he's doing the correct, > pragmatic thing! > > Now can we please all grow up and stop dragging this discussion into the > local politics? Our goal should be to find new halls now and show that free > software's ideas are beyond the local problems of one region or another, or > we are no better than his Palestinian hosts or the people of Mint that Omer > keeps reminding us of in his signature. > > > On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 08:40, E L <nak...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Says who? >> No one asked him if he is willing to lecture in Israel for money, >> you are just assuming that. I'm pretty sure he will find some other >> excuse. >> Probably they wont agree to share expenses with Israelis. Or threaten him >> to chose either the PA or Israel. >> >> One thing is sure, a lot less people will want to hear him anyhow, >> who wants to hear a freedom activist that sell his soul for money? >> >> Ely >> >> >> On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 8:12 AM, Omer Zak <w...@zak.co.il> wrote: >> >>> In other words, Stallman's cancellation of speeches in Israeli >>> universities is indeed a victory in the worldwide attempt to promote >>> academic boycott of Israel. >>> >>> I understand that it is a battle which can be won by means of some >>> money. So let's arrange funding for Stallman's trip to our area to >>> replace Palestinian funds, and without the kind of strings that the >>> Palestinians attached to their funds. >>> >>> Where to send my 100NIS contribution? >>> >>> --- Omer Zak >>> >>> >>> On Mon, 2011-05-30 at 08:02 +0300, Ira Abramov wrote: >>> > I'm pretty suree RMS' reply bounced so here I am quoting it for all of >>> > you. he sent me a longer reply in person and they both confirm what I >>> > thought - he's more interested in fulfilling his original obligation >>> > and use it for promoting collaboration. >>> > >>> > Moreover, he says the ban imposed on him is NOT Israel in its >>> > entirety, but only the Universities (the private Shenkar College seems >>> > kosher according to him). The weird but sensible thing to do is find >>> > lecture halls outside the universities and there would be no conflict. >>> > >>> > I think there are now several people in the readers who should >>> > marinade their hats for making this a bigger political issue than it >>> > really is. >>> > >>> > I'll be posting his personal replies to me in my blog later, and >>> > sending them to the papers. >>> > >>> > On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 07:36, Richard Stallman <r...@gnu.org> wrote: >>> > I saw that you sent an E-mail message canceling all of your >>> > talks >>> > in Israel= in the upcoming visit. >>> > >>> > >>> > Not all of them -- only the ones at universities. It is the >>> > universities that the funders object to. I have one planned >>> > talk >>> > which is not at a university, which I still plan to give. >>> > >>> > I will forward your message to them. I hope you can indeed >>> > work >>> > something out, because cooperation between Israelis and >>> > Palestinians >>> > is good. >>> > >>> > Another possible approach is to find other venues for the >>> > other talks >>> > I was going to give in Israel. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Linux Mint is insecure by design as it won't accept contributions (bug >>> reports) from Israelis who choose to defend themselves against suicide >>> bombers: http://eclelef.blogspot.com/2009/05/palestine_03.html >>> My own blog is at http://www.zak.co.il/tddpirate/ >>> >>> My opinions, as expressed in this E-mail message, are mine alone. >>> They do not represent the official policy of any organization with which >>> I may be affiliated in any way. >>> WARNING TO SPAMMERS: at http://www.zak.co.il/spamwarning.html >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Discussions mailing list >>> Discussions@hamakor.org.il >>> http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discussions >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Discussions mailing list >> Discussions@hamakor.org.il >> http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discussions >> > >
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