I second that. Moshe
On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 9:04 AM, E L <nak...@gmail.com> wrote: > Fine, I accept what you say, now the only thing left to decide is if > hamakor > is going to give a hand to boycotting Israeli academy. > I call everyone to boycott any lecture of RMS until he agrees to give up > that silly > notion. > > Ely > > > > On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 8:55 AM, Ira Abramov <hama...@ira.abramov.org>wrote: > >> I thought we found a nice resolution here - RMS *wants* to speak in >> Israel, he explained how we can go about it, he's still going to give talks >> at the Palestinian venues and I bet he will use those to educate them about >> how academic boycotting is a bad thing. He can't possibly gain anything by >> saying now that he won't support academic boycotts, because then his trip >> may be canceled. Stop calling it "selling his soul", he's doing the correct, >> pragmatic thing! >> >> Now can we please all grow up and stop dragging this discussion into the >> local politics? Our goal should be to find new halls now and show that free >> software's ideas are beyond the local problems of one region or another, or >> we are no better than his Palestinian hosts or the people of Mint that Omer >> keeps reminding us of in his signature. >> >> >> On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 08:40, E L <nak...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Says who? >>> No one asked him if he is willing to lecture in Israel for money, >>> you are just assuming that. I'm pretty sure he will find some other >>> excuse. >>> Probably they wont agree to share expenses with Israelis. Or threaten him >>> to chose either the PA or Israel. >>> >>> One thing is sure, a lot less people will want to hear him anyhow, >>> who wants to hear a freedom activist that sell his soul for money? >>> >>> Ely >>> >>> >>> On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 8:12 AM, Omer Zak <w...@zak.co.il> wrote: >>> >>>> In other words, Stallman's cancellation of speeches in Israeli >>>> universities is indeed a victory in the worldwide attempt to promote >>>> academic boycott of Israel. >>>> >>>> I understand that it is a battle which can be won by means of some >>>> money. So let's arrange funding for Stallman's trip to our area to >>>> replace Palestinian funds, and without the kind of strings that the >>>> Palestinians attached to their funds. >>>> >>>> Where to send my 100NIS contribution? >>>> >>>> --- Omer Zak >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, 2011-05-30 at 08:02 +0300, Ira Abramov wrote: >>>> > I'm pretty suree RMS' reply bounced so here I am quoting it for all of >>>> > you. he sent me a longer reply in person and they both confirm what I >>>> > thought - he's more interested in fulfilling his original obligation >>>> > and use it for promoting collaboration. >>>> > >>>> > Moreover, he says the ban imposed on him is NOT Israel in its >>>> > entirety, but only the Universities (the private Shenkar College seems >>>> > kosher according to him). The weird but sensible thing to do is find >>>> > lecture halls outside the universities and there would be no conflict. >>>> > >>>> > I think there are now several people in the readers who should >>>> > marinade their hats for making this a bigger political issue than it >>>> > really is. >>>> > >>>> > I'll be posting his personal replies to me in my blog later, and >>>> > sending them to the papers. >>>> > >>>> > On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 07:36, Richard Stallman <r...@gnu.org> wrote: >>>> > I saw that you sent an E-mail message canceling all of your >>>> > talks >>>> > in Israel= in the upcoming visit. >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > Not all of them -- only the ones at universities. It is the >>>> > universities that the funders object to. I have one planned >>>> > talk >>>> > which is not at a university, which I still plan to give. >>>> > >>>> > I will forward your message to them. I hope you can indeed >>>> > work >>>> > something out, because cooperation between Israelis and >>>> > Palestinians >>>> > is good. >>>> > >>>> > Another possible approach is to find other venues for the >>>> > other talks >>>> > I was going to give in Israel. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Linux Mint is insecure by design as it won't accept contributions (bug >>>> reports) from Israelis who choose to defend themselves against suicide >>>> bombers: http://eclelef.blogspot.com/2009/05/palestine_03.html >>>> My own blog is at http://www.zak.co.il/tddpirate/ >>>> >>>> My opinions, as expressed in this E-mail message, are mine alone. >>>> They do not represent the official policy of any organization with which >>>> I may be affiliated in any way. >>>> WARNING TO SPAMMERS: at http://www.zak.co.il/spamwarning.html >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Discussions mailing list >>>> Discussions@hamakor.org.il >>>> http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discussions >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Discussions mailing list >>> Discussions@hamakor.org.il >>> http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discussions >>> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Discussions mailing list > Discussions@hamakor.org.il > http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discussions >
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