Seems to me like we have plenty of people who feel this is a good idea, but not one we feel is appropriate.
Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/ghei36> ________________________________ From: Andrew Musselman <a...@apache.org> Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2019 7:33:40 AM To: diversity@apache.org Subject: Re: Diversity Information from iCLA? I get nervous when people talk about using data about me "for reasons" if I haven't agreed to it before submitting information. I suspect I'm not unusual in having that reaction; it could be risky just using info "about people" without asking for their consent. One rule of thumb for whether "using people's data" will be palatable to them is whether they'll perceive a benefit from it, either to themselves or to the community. Conducting a survey would give everyone a chance to explain the motivation and get buy-in, fwiw. On Thu, May 16, 2019 at 04:00 Patricia Shanahan <p...@acm.org> wrote: > I would also be falsely guessed as American based on my ICLA > information. Less confusing in my case than in some, because I am a > native English speaker of European ancestry. > > On 5/16/2019 3:24 AM, Aizhamal Nurmamat kyzy wrote: > > It would be helpful to do the analysis, but I do think we should be > careful > > on this analysis to jump into conclusions too quickly. > > > > I moved to the USA from another country, and US address is given in the > > ICLA. That is true for a good number of my friends who started getting > > involved with open source as well. Including or excluding people like me > in > > the analysis would not really capture the diversity part. > > > > So I think doing the analysis is a great idea, but we should be cautious > > about the conclusions we derive from it. > > > > Best > > Aizhamal > > > > On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 09:37 Patricia Shanahan <p...@acm.org> wrote: > > > >> On 5/15/2019 7:20 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > >>> Hi Awasum, > >>> > >>> On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 3:42 PM Awasum Yannick <awa...@apache.org> > >> wrote: > >>>> ...If we really wanted to know the country/country/geographical > >> distribution > >>>> of our committers, the most reliable way to do it is to look at the > iCLA > >>>> files without displaying names of committers, just the countries... > >>> > >>> I agree in principle but the lone committer from Failuristan, where > >>> participation in Open Source can get you in trouble, would not be > >>> happy to see that. > >> > >> For several years I was over 50, female, and a student in UCSD's > >> Computer Science PhD program. > >> > >> Considered separately, age, gender, department, and intended degree each > >> seems harmless. Taken together, they uniquely identified me. > >> > >> I looked closely at surveys, and checked whether they had a minimum > >> group size policy that would protect my privacy. I would have been upset > >> to see information I had supplied for legal or administrative purposes > >> treated as research survey data without having the opportunity to decide > >> for myself whether or not to participate. > >> > >> > >> --- > >> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > >> https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.avg.com&data=02%7C01%7CRoss.Gardler%40microsoft.com%7Cdc8ae9bb93a747f8a7b608d6da0b88f4%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C636936140413029130&sdata=j%2BZpteft9oJj9RQYu6izTIAMKAfmsNmeUOf5rVx6FCA%3D&reserved=0 > >> > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: diversity-unsubscr...@apache.org > >> For additional commands, e-mail: diversity-h...@apache.org > >> > >> > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: diversity-unsubscr...@apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: diversity-h...@apache.org > >
