On Thu, 16 May 2019 at 15:58, Matt Sicker <boa...@gmail.com> wrote: > As Secretary, I would not like to use these legal documents for > anything other than their intended purpose, particularly due to PII. > Data should be given voluntarily for this. > > And has been noted, the data in these forms are likely not enough to > determine demographic data.
Would it be possible to append some optional diversity questions to the ICLA? Doesn’t help with seeing where we are currently at, but could give interesting info on how we’re progressing, depending on the % who complete it. Niall > > On Thu, 16 May 2019 at 09:46, Joan Touzet <woh...@apache.org> wrote: > > > > I have a proposal that I'm going to run by the Board during our > > remaining face-to-face session today that may help with this. > > > > Please Stand By. :) > > > > -Joan > > > > On 2019-05-16 10:43 a.m., Ross Gardler wrote: > > > Seems to me like we have plenty of people who feel this is a good > idea, but not one we feel is appropriate. > > > > > > Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/ghei36> > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > From: Andrew Musselman <a...@apache.org> > > > Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2019 7:33:40 AM > > > To: diversity@apache.org > > > Subject: Re: Diversity Information from iCLA? > > > > > > I get nervous when people talk about using data about me "for reasons" > if I > > > haven't agreed to it before submitting information. > > > > > > I suspect I'm not unusual in having that reaction; it could be risky > just > > > using info "about people" without asking for their consent. > > > > > > One rule of thumb for whether "using people's data" will be palatable > to > > > them is whether they'll perceive a benefit from it, either to > themselves or > > > to the community. > > > > > > Conducting a survey would give everyone a chance to explain the > motivation > > > and get buy-in, fwiw. > > > > > > On Thu, May 16, 2019 at 04:00 Patricia Shanahan <p...@acm.org> wrote: > > > > > >> I would also be falsely guessed as American based on my ICLA > > >> information. Less confusing in my case than in some, because I am a > > >> native English speaker of European ancestry. > > >> > > >> On 5/16/2019 3:24 AM, Aizhamal Nurmamat kyzy wrote: > > >>> It would be helpful to do the analysis, but I do think we should be > > >> careful > > >>> on this analysis to jump into conclusions too quickly. > > >>> > > >>> I moved to the USA from another country, and US address is given in > the > > >>> ICLA. That is true for a good number of my friends who started > getting > > >>> involved with open source as well. Including or excluding people > like me > > >> in > > >>> the analysis would not really capture the diversity part. > > >>> > > >>> So I think doing the analysis is a great idea, but we should be > cautious > > >>> about the conclusions we derive from it. > > >>> > > >>> Best > > >>> Aizhamal > > >>> > > >>> On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 09:37 Patricia Shanahan <p...@acm.org> > wrote: > > >>> > > >>>> On 5/15/2019 7:20 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > > >>>>> Hi Awasum, > > >>>>> > > >>>>> On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 3:42 PM Awasum Yannick <awa...@apache.org> > > >>>> wrote: > > >>>>>> ...If we really wanted to know the country/country/geographical > > >>>> distribution > > >>>>>> of our committers, the most reliable way to do it is to look at > the > > >> iCLA > > >>>>>> files without displaying names of committers, just the > countries... > > >>>>> > > >>>>> I agree in principle but the lone committer from Failuristan, where > > >>>>> participation in Open Source can get you in trouble, would not be > > >>>>> happy to see that. > > >>>> > > >>>> For several years I was over 50, female, and a student in UCSD's > > >>>> Computer Science PhD program. > > >>>> > > >>>> Considered separately, age, gender, department, and intended degree > each > > >>>> seems harmless. Taken together, they uniquely identified me. > > >>>> > > >>>> I looked closely at surveys, and checked whether they had a minimum > > >>>> group size policy that would protect my privacy. I would have been > upset > > >>>> to see information I had supplied for legal or administrative > purposes > > >>>> treated as research survey data without having the opportunity to > decide > > >>>> for myself whether or not to participate. > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> --- > > >>>> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > > >>>> > https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.avg.com&data=02%7C01%7CRoss.Gardler%40microsoft.com%7Cdc8ae9bb93a747f8a7b608d6da0b88f4%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C636936140413029130&sdata=j%2BZpteft9oJj9RQYu6izTIAMKAfmsNmeUOf5rVx6FCA%3D&reserved=0 > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: diversity-unsubscr...@apache.org > > >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: diversity-h...@apache.org > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>> > > >> > > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: diversity-unsubscr...@apache.org > > >> For additional commands, e-mail: diversity-h...@apache.org > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: diversity-unsubscr...@apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: diversity-h...@apache.org > > > > > -- > Matt Sicker <boa...@gmail.com> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: diversity-unsubscr...@apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: diversity-h...@apache.org > >
