That would be awesome, yes. Fresh eyes likely see more clearly :) And equally. :)
Thanks. C. On Thursday, 27 October 2022 at 15:28:09 UTC+2 acm...@gmail.com wrote: > Regarding Carlton's points, that does clarify, and I agree about the open > ended qualifiers. I also agree with Tim's points. I'm not sure we need > another membership level (I'm not opposed, though). Rather, I think making > the current page more transparent will help more folks feel welcome and > hopefully get more folks (who do fit the criteria) to apply. > > If someone wants to draft new language, that would be great. If not, I may > have some time next week to try. > > Thanks, > Andrew > > P.S. Great meeting both of you at Djangocon last week! > On Thursday, October 27, 2022 at 7:41:15 AM UTC-4 schill...@gmail.com > wrote: > >> Hi Carlton, >> >> I think I might have been one of those people mentioning the lack of >> definition around the membership requirements. It has held me back from >> applying (finally sent one in yesterday). Given the process's obscurity >> (see below), it's daunting to hit submit. >> >> - The number of potential qualifiers is open ended. >> - This should remain, unaltered. It makes the application more >> daunting, but it's also encouraging in that any contribution is valid. >> - The degree of involvement per qualifier is not defined. >> - This seems like something that could be done. The review process >> must have a rubric of some sort. >> - There is a valid argument to be made that making statements >> about minimum levels of requirement could lead to a person disputing a >> rejection. >> - The review process is not included on the form. >> - Some people will appreciate having more information on how the >> process works. >> - The people who will see this application are not included on the >> form. >> - I know the DSF Board is doing at least part of the approvals (I >> see it in the minutes), but I'm still unsure of who will see the >> application itself. If it's the broader DSF membership, it's >> uncomfortable >> to send all of you an advertisement about my involvement in your/our >> community. >> - There's nothing to help a person decide how to make the decision >> to put yourself out there. >> - Until San Diego I did not have a personal relationship with any >> DSF member, which meant I never sent a DM to an existing DSF member to >> ask >> what the process was like for them or if I was qualified. >> >> >> I think if the form itself were a bit more transparent people will feel >> more comfortable sending in an application. >> >> Thanks, >> Tim >> >> On Thu, Oct 27, 2022 at 2:19 AM Carlton Gibson <carlton...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Hi Andrew. >>> >>> Yes. Good question. I'm not immediately sure if there is a better >>> description of DSF membership around. 🤔 >>> >>> It's meant to be a recognition of contribution to the community, be that >>> to the code in django/django, maintaining a <modifier> third-party package, >>> organising a DjangoCon or community meetup, mentoring, ... — the dots there >>> are that the list incompletable, not simply because I'm too lazy to type, >>> if that makes sense 😜 >>> (These tie roughly to the suggested points for eligibility for being on >>> the Steering Committee in Andrew's proposal >>> <https://github.com/django/deps/pull/75/files> except without the "and >>> you're still engaged" requirement that's also there — once earned, it's >>> yours.) >>> >>> There was some discussion of this at both recent DjangoCons... — there's >>> a bit of a gap for people, perhaps like yourself, first getting involved. >>> One idea was a more open membership level that anyone interested could take >>> up, that would allow easier communication if nothing else. I don't know how >>> those discussions will turn out, but stay tuned 🙂 >>> >>> I hope that clarifies a litte? >>> >>> In any case, Welcome aboard! ⛵️ :) Please reach out if you need any >>> help. >>> >>> Kind Regards, >>> >>> Carlton >>> >>> On Wed, 26 Oct 2022 at 15:48, Andrew Mshar <acm...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Along the lines of discussions about redefining requirements for board >>>> seats (e.g. https://groups.google.com/g/django-developers/c/FbNaAq3rz6c), >>>> I think it would be helpful to clarify what we want from individual >>>> members >>>> of the DSF here: >>>> >>>> https://www.djangoproject.com/foundation/individual-members/ >>>> >>>> As a non-member who recently made my first contribution to Django, I >>>> looked at that page and thought: is that enough for me to be a member? I'm >>>> not particularly concerned about my own membership, but rather, this made >>>> me realize that the lack of clarity may prevent others from joining who >>>> otherwise should. >>>> >>>> Is there anywhere that we have a more clear outline of what we expect >>>> from members both before they join and after? 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