Actually my first thought was... What a great learning tool! How many times did I want to do something but could not find a working example to pick apart? I would think it would make a great way to show proper layout and conventions for newbies (like me). I have been programming in python for years but am having some trouble wrapping my head around the "django" paradigm.
Thanks, Richard On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 5:52 PM, Frank W. Samuelson <fr...@merrill-samuelson.com> wrote: > You are something of a killjoy, Mike. > > This could grow into a really great project, where people don't even have to > learn programming to generate a usable django web database app. They just > design their app with the user friendly web interface, and it runs. It > could even be integrated with hosting, and people might never see the code, > it would just run. How many people who have web pages nowadays know HTML? > > Generate on! > > > On Tue, 9 Feb 2010, Mike Ramirez wrote: > >> On Tuesday 09 February 2010 13:09:08 Brice Leroy wrote: >>> >>> django-admin startproject creates an empty folder... >>> >>> startproject almost = mkdir >>> >>> This will generate your models, modelForm, views, templates, urls, and >>> soon customized forms and permissions >>> >> >> That's what the web interface does? >> >> Yes startproject gives you empty files so you can add in your own code, >> with >> the minimal funs. >> >> For me, I don't see your project as a big advantage, except maybe two >> minutes >> of time where I don't need to do things like: >> >> class MyModel(models.Model): >> ... >> >> >> I don't know, thought about your approach before, but think it's >> reduntant. >> Just because each project requires it's own data and model field >> attributes >> and form funs... And I think django already does a great job of >> genericizing >> this stuff with the code i.e. ModelFoms. I don't know how much of a real >> timesaver this really is. Didn't even mention tests.. Which can you auto >> generate? >> >> Especially if your project's outputed code isn't template driven where >> each >> user of it can change the boiler plate code with minimal or no fuss, so it >> can >> be tailored to each users needs. Like I'm able to add in my most used >> imports, which aren't all going to be yours or anyone elses or the same in >> each project. >> >> I think the minimal approach of django-admin is a much better way to do >> these >> things. With either way you still have to give the fields, options and the >> names, then fill in the functions you need/want. Each function that can be >> autogenerated is like two lines of code. >> >> I don't know if your generated code can handle a lot of choices I make, >> like >> making fields not editable in the admin, setting defaults, etc... and even >> if >> you do offer these choices, the time to use your project and code it up >> probably isn't much different. >> >> The big thing for me in terms of tools like this, is the ability to save >> time, >> which I don't think there is a difference between what django-admin has >> and >> your project. Because either way I need to still fill in the fields, the >> type >> of field it is, etc.. and typeing IntegerField() isn't faster than >> selecting >> from a drop down box. >> >> Tho the importing of existing models maybe interesting for refactoring, >> Tho I >> just cp oldversion newversion and make the changes. >> >> I still have a large feeling I'm going to editting what your project >> outputs >> (blame this on things like UML). When I would just rather write it once >> and >> forget it. >> >> I also love building development tools, I'm just finishing up something >> like >> this for Go. Where it'll generate a project directory tree of your Go >> files >> (either a package or command, with Makefiels, readme, etc.. all template >> driven so you can edit the boilerplate code to be what you want) it'll be >> released in a few more days when I finish cleaning up the default >> templates >> and a few optimizations. If you want to see what I mean, I don't mind >> sending >> it today. Just know there are a lot of mistakes in the templates and still >> looking at a few tweaks and playing with usability. >> >> But in the end, I think the time saved with yours is going to be minimal I >> believe unless your can guess what model fields I need and what options >> they >> are it's not saving that much time (maybe 30 minutes?). Otherwise, I think >> that altering django-admin startporject to be template driven is a better >> idea >> than this. Sorry for being negative, but without negativity how can we be >> challenged and grow? >> >> Mike >> >>> I'll add a copy project so you can extend an existing model if you >>> have a big production pace of common project model. >>> >>> 2010/2/9 Mike Ramirez <gufym...@gmail.com>: >>>> >>>> On Tuesday 09 February 2010 12:58:32 Brice Leroy wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hello everybody, >>>>> >>>>> I've been working for a week on this idea of a generator for django >>>>> project. The goal is to provide a simple architecture that can be >>>>> after adapted to your project. The system is in alpha stage but allows >>>>> you to create project, model (+1 view and 1 form) and application. >>>>> Once your project is created you can download a tar.gz with the >>>>> complete project already build for you. >>>>> >>>>> It's supposed to be used with the trunk version of django. >>>>> >>>>> I plan to add permission, forms and view during the next 15 days. Let >>>>> me know if you have any advice or request. >>>>> >>>>> The project can be found here: http://alpha.djangogenerator.com/ and >>>>> is open to registration >>>>> The source code is located on github: >>>>> http://github.com/debrice/djangogenerator >>>>> >>>>> All the best, >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Brice Leroy >>>>> http://www.debrice.com >>>> >>>> how is this different than `django-admin startproject` ? >>>> >>>> Mike >>>> -- >>>> Overconfidence breeds error when we take for granted that the game will >>>> continue on its normal course; when we fail to provide for an unusually >>>> powerful resource -- a check, a sacrifice, a stalemate. Afterwards the >>>> victim may wail, `But who could have dreamt of such an idiotic-looking >>>> move?' -- Fred Reinfeld, "The Complete Chess Course" >>> >> >> -- >> After the Children of Israel had wandered for thirty-nine years >> in the wilderness, Ferdinand Feghoot arrived to make sure that they would >> finally find and enter the Promised Land. With him, he brought his >> favorite robot, faithful old Yewtoo Artoo, to carry his gear and do >> assorted camp chores. >> The Israelites soon got over their initial fear of the robot and, >> as the months passed, became very fond of him. Patriarchs took to >> discussing abtruse theological problems with him, and each evening the >> children all gathered to hear the many stories with which he was >> programmed. >> Therefore it came as a great shock to them when, just as their journey was >> ending, he abruptly wore out. Even Feghoot couldn't console them. >> "It may be true, Ferdinand Feghoot," said Moses, "that our friend >> Yewtoo Artoo was soulless, but we cannot believe it. He must be properly >> interred. We cannot embalm him as do the Egyptians. Nor have we wood for >> a coffin. But I do have a most splendid skin from one of Pharoah's own >> cattle. We shall bury him in it." >> Feghoot agreed. "Yes, let this be his last rusting place." >> "Rusting?" Moses cried. "Not in this dreadful dry desert!" >> "Ah!" sighed Ferdinand Feghoot, shedding a tear, "I fear you do not >> realize the full significance of Pharoah's oxhide!" >> -- Grendel Briarton "Through Time & Space With Ferdinand >> Feghoot!" >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Django users" group. > To post to this group, send email to django-us...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > django-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/django-users?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Django users" group. To post to this group, send email to django-us...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to django-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/django-users?hl=en.
