>>    From: Foo list [Jane Smith] <f...@list.org>
>>    CC: Jane Smith <j...@smith.org>

> Given that most MUAs these days don't show the e-mail address at all,
> it's hard to see why that would be better.

I'm not sure that's true. MUA's suppress the email address in the From: header 
if it's in your contacts list or safe senders list. If it isn't, they show the 
entire thing.

Not all MUA's are like this but a lot of them are.

-- Terry

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From: dmarc-discuss [mailto:dmarc-discuss-boun...@dmarc.org] On Behalf Of John 
Levine via dmarc-discuss
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2016 8:02 PM
To: dmarc-discuss@dmarc.org
Subject: Re: [dmarc-discuss] introduction to the list-virtual server & mailman 
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>I'd prefer:
>
>    From: Foo list [Jane Smith] <f...@list.org>
>    CC: Jane Smith <j...@smith.org>

Given that most MUAs these days don't show the e-mail address at all,
it's hard to see why that would be better.

>- violating the principle of least astonishment[1] (wait, the list operator 
>caused my
>private reply to be routed through his mail-server?)

You must know different users than I do.  Most of them have no idea
how their mail gets from them to their correspondents, and I don't
recall any of them asking unless something screwed up and it got lost.
A great deal of mail to various domains ends up at gmail, and they
don't seem to have any trouble with that.  Data point: I've been doing
the dmail.fail rewrite for the better part of a year, I've had exactly
one user ask what it was, and when I explained it was to get around
some overeager filtering at large ISPs, they thought that was fine.

R's,
John

PS:

>1: Reply-To: appears to have become a third rail, I won't touch it.

Oh, it's been a point of religious controversy for at least 20 years.
I wouldn't touch it either, other than to note that adding a reply-to
as a workaround to From: header workarounds rarely works the way
you expect it to.
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