Ale,

On Sat, Feb 25, 2023 at 5:29 AM Alessandro Vesely <ves...@tana.it> wrote:

> On Fri 24/Feb/2023 21:21:15 +0100 Brotman, Alex wrote:
> > While discussing this with someone at the conference yesterday, we
> thought perhaps we could introduce something of a referral.
> >
> > Currently:
> > _dmarc.ret.bmcc.cuny.edu NULL
> > _dmarc.bmcc.cuny.edu "v=DMARC1; p=quarantine; fo=1; rua=mailto:
> dmarc_...@emaildefense.proofpoint.com; ruf=mailto:
> dmarc_...@emaildefense.proofpoint.com"
> > _dmarc.cuny.edu  "v=DMARC1;p=none;rua=mailto:
> dmarc_...@emaildefense.proofpoint.com,mailto:post.mas...@cuny.edu
> ;ruf=mailto:dmarc_...@emaildefense.proofpoint.com,mailto:
> post.mas...@cuny.edu;fo=1"
> >
> > Proposed:
> > _dmarc.bmcc.cuny.edu "v=DMARC1;sp=refer:cuny.edu; p=quarantine; fo=1;
> rua=mailto:dmarc_...@emaildefense.proofpoint.com; ruf=mailto:
> dmarc_...@emaildefense.proofpoint.com"
> >
> > Adding the "sp=refer:cuny.edu" would allow the existing policy to be
> used for undeclared subdomains under the third-level domain.  This could be
> useful in the situation where an OrgDomain would like to still maintain
> some control over policy for the undeclared domains.
>
>
> I like the ability of allowing a subdomain to publish its own policy
> without
> affecting further subdomains.  Indeed, bmcc.cuny.edu features a list of
> NSes
> different from cuny.edu.  Now, ret.bmcc.cuny.edu has no NS record, but
> has an
> MX different from bmcc.  Clearly its mail management is independent.
>
>
Are you sure?

# dig  cuny.edu NS +noall +answer
cuny.edu. 3600 IN NS ext-ns1.columbia.edu.
cuny.edu. 3600 IN NS ns10.customer.level3.net.
cuny.edu. 3600 IN NS ns15.customer.level3.net.
cuny.edu. 3600 IN NS acme.ucc.cuny.edu.
cuny.edu. 3600 IN NS lavinia.cis.cuny.edu.
#
dig  bmcc.cuny.edu NS +noall +answer
bmcc.cuny.edu. 300 IN NS ns10.customer.level3.net.
bmcc.cuny.edu. 300 IN NS ext-ns1.columbia.edu.
bmcc.cuny.edu. 300 IN NS ns15.customer.level3.net.
bmcc.cuny.edu. 300 IN NS acme.ucc.cuny.edu.
bmcc.cuny.edu. 300 IN NS lavinia.cis.cuny.edu.
they look the same to me


tim


OTOH, we cannot force bmcc to monitor the p= and sp= tags of their parent
> domain and change their own sp= tag accordingly.
>
> However, I dislike refer:cuny.edu.  What if they published refer:
> outlook.com?
>
> Rather I'd propose sp=inherit.  A receiver has to navigate to cuny.edu
> anyway
> if it needs to establish the organizational domain, so it can retrieve the
> policy as well.
>
>
> Best
> Ale
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