A spammer might send millions of impersonation mails to thousands of
recipients.  If that happens, the failure report receiver must be able to
handle the volume in the same manner as a denial of service attack.
 Reporting to anything other than a specialized organization seems very
risky.

DF

On Fri, Jun 13, 2025, 11:56 AM Dotzero <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>
> On Fri, Jun 13, 2025 at 10:26 AM Alessandro Vesely <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Wed 11/Jun/2025 13:56:50 +0200 John R Levine wrote:
>> >
>> > I really do not understand what point you are making here.  People find
>> > aggregate reports useful enough to build businesses around them.  But
>> failure
>> > reports are useless.
>>
>>
>> I can hardly believe it.  Unless you're getting a reward for receiving
>> useless messages, why on earth do you have this record?
>>
>> "v=DMARC1; p=none; rua=mailto:[email protected]; ruf=mailto:
>> [email protected]; psd=n;"
>>
>> If ruf= indicates something, I looked at the records of DNSWL subscribers:
>>
>> /var/lib/rbldns/domain.list: 23488 records
>> 16945 DMARC records (72.00%)
>> 13154 rua           (56.00%)
>>   8622 ruf           (36.00%)
>>
>>
>> That seems to indicate that failure reports are less popular than
>> aggregate ones, but a number of domains want them.
>>
>> Best
>> Ale
>> --
>
>
> Ale, can you show the top 10 or 20 domains (and number of domains pointing
> to them) receiving the RUF reports? I have a feeling it skews  towards
> intermediaries such as Agari, Valimail and Dmarcian.
>
> TIA
>
> Michael Hammer
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