So, let me get this right - it is frowned upon on this list to mention anything of the following regarding systemd: - Any potentially positive attributes of systemd; - Any potentially valid use-cases of systemd; - Any possible non-deranged systemd developers; - Any reasons distro's might have to adopt systemd other than "RedHat wants to eat the world, Mark Shuttleworth is a dumbass; the Debian team has been corrupted" - Any hints towards systemd-agnosticism?
Because if that is the case, then you really are no better than the lot across the fence. Same ridiculous blinkered views, different flag to pledge blind allegiance to. I have a real life example of how this comes across: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2020382/You-entering-Sharia-law-Britain-As-Islamic-extremists-declare-Sharia-law-zone-London-suburb-worrying-social-moral-implications.html It really is a pity. The VUA and guys like Jude do awesome work bringing the state-of-the-art forward when it comes to actually building working technology that does not depend on systemd, whilst this list is quickly just an echo chamber of pre-approved opinions. And the pre-approved opinions are getting less by the day. On 6 April 2015 at 17:55, Steve Litt <sl...@troubleshooters.com> wrote: > On Mon, 6 Apr 2015 11:46:45 +0300 > Martijn Dekkers <devuan-li...@dekkers.org.uk> wrote: > > > > What really puzzles me is why if you love systemd that much you just > > > continue arguing about systemd on the ML of a Debian fork > > > specifically born to throw systemd away. Do you think you might be > > > able to convince us that systemd is *good* and *beautiful* and > > > *necessary*? I don't want to be saved, thanks ;) > > > > > > > Looks to me like he isn't arguing for systemd, but he is just > > discussing systems designs and implementation. Also looks to me like > > he is simply keeping an open mind, and not getting swept away in hate > > either way.... > > But to what point? Devuan was born in, OK, I'll use your > characterization, hate, of systemd. Eliminating systemd is the > cornerstone of Devuan. Sure, we're forming principles that accommodate > our refusal to use systemd, and accommodate future software fiascos, > but it's obvious that Devuan=NoSystemd. > > So what is the point, on this particular list, of keeping an open mind > on the subject of systemd? I can see the point on the Manjaro list, or > the Gentoo list, or the Saybayon list, or the OpenSuSE list. But on > declared systemd-never lists like Devuan or Funtoo, or for that matter > on declared systemd-forever lists like RedHat and Fedora, what's the > point of being systemd agnostic? > > Systemd-agnosticism is appropriate in most venues. But not in venues > whose very foundation is pro or anti systemd. > > SteveT > > Steve Litt > Twenty Eight Tales of Troubleshooting > http://www.troubleshooters.com/28 > > > _______________________________________________ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng >
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