On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 11:07 AM, Martijn Dekkers < devuan-li...@dekkers.org.uk> wrote:
[snip] > It really is a pity. The VUA and guys like Jude do awesome work bringing > the state-of-the-art forward when it comes to actually building working > technology that does not depend on systemd, whilst this list is quickly > just an echo chamber of pre-approved opinions. And the pre-approved > opinions are getting less by the day. > > I've seen at least two posts now where I've been held up as an example of doing something about systemd. First, thank you for your kind words :) Second, I can't take all the credit :) Besides the VUA collective (Jaromil, Nextime, Hellekin, and others?), there's also: * Dima Krasner, who is working on LoginKit ( https://git.devuan.org/pkgs-utopia-substitution/loginkit), as well as building Puppy Linux from Devuan, and getting lightdm to work without logind. * Isaac Dunham, who is working on libsysdev ( https://github.com/idunham/libsysdev) and getting X.org to run without libudev. * Scooby, lepoitr, John Carline, and other anonymous contributors who are helping me test vdev on live hardware. I'd like to get a list together (perhaps on the wiki?) of the names or aliases of the people who are working on making Devuan possible, so we can give credit where credit is due. -Jude > On 6 April 2015 at 17:55, Steve Litt <sl...@troubleshooters.com> wrote: > >> On Mon, 6 Apr 2015 11:46:45 +0300 >> Martijn Dekkers <devuan-li...@dekkers.org.uk> wrote: >> >> > > What really puzzles me is why if you love systemd that much you just >> > > continue arguing about systemd on the ML of a Debian fork >> > > specifically born to throw systemd away. Do you think you might be >> > > able to convince us that systemd is *good* and *beautiful* and >> > > *necessary*? I don't want to be saved, thanks ;) >> > > >> > >> > Looks to me like he isn't arguing for systemd, but he is just >> > discussing systems designs and implementation. Also looks to me like >> > he is simply keeping an open mind, and not getting swept away in hate >> > either way.... >> >> But to what point? Devuan was born in, OK, I'll use your >> characterization, hate, of systemd. Eliminating systemd is the >> cornerstone of Devuan. Sure, we're forming principles that accommodate >> our refusal to use systemd, and accommodate future software fiascos, >> but it's obvious that Devuan=NoSystemd. >> >> So what is the point, on this particular list, of keeping an open mind >> on the subject of systemd? I can see the point on the Manjaro list, or >> the Gentoo list, or the Saybayon list, or the OpenSuSE list. But on >> declared systemd-never lists like Devuan or Funtoo, or for that matter >> on declared systemd-forever lists like RedHat and Fedora, what's the >> point of being systemd agnostic? >> >> Systemd-agnosticism is appropriate in most venues. But not in venues >> whose very foundation is pro or anti systemd. >> >> SteveT >> >> Steve Litt >> Twenty Eight Tales of Troubleshooting >> http://www.troubleshooters.com/28 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Dng mailing list >> Dng@lists.dyne.org >> https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > >
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