it wasn't my intention to ignore the socio-legal issue, but the problem
statement also can't presume a solution. I will think about this and try to
come up with better text. thanks for the feedback, both of you.

On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 5:16 PM, George Michaelson <g...@algebras.org> wrote:

> On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 5:07 PM, Alain Durand <alain.dur...@icann.org>
> wrote:
> > Reading section 4.2 and 4.3 of draft-tldr-sutld-ps-00, it would appear
> you
> > are in the camp that does believe those “special names” are immune those
> > socio-economic pressures and/or the IETF can deal with this. Do I get
> this
> > right?
>
> I too believe this is implicit in what ted wrote.
>
> > If that is the case, then, it is not that one document is better than the
> > other, there is a  fundamental difference between the perspectives of the
> > authors.
>
> this too I agree with.
>
> It seems to me that there is a substantive issue which has to be
> documented as "problem"
>
> Is the IETF actually the right SDO to define a label which has to be
> added to a zone which the IETF gave substantive control over, to
> another (non-SDO) body?
>
> I think that the socio-legal issues which vest inside ICANN cannot be
> ignored simply because of a technical need/merit argument. Especially
> when the technology claims a specific label, not just the concept of a
> reservation for an otherwise unstated label.
>
> >
> > It should follow that this is a non technical issue that is much larger
> than
> > DNSop wg.  As such, the DNSop wg might want to refrain from adopting one
> or
> > the other document until the IETF, as a community, under the leadership
> of
> > the IAB, comes to an agreement on that fundamental question. After all,
> the
> > interpretation of RFC2860 (ICANN/IETF MoU) is the prerogative of the IAB.
>
> And it would come as little surprise that this too,  I concur with.
>
> I like Ted's document. I liked it a lot. But without recognition of
> this question of "who decides" I think as a document specifying the
> problem statement, its incomplete.
>
> For me, it is simply not a "given" that the IETF is the right place to
> determine labels in the top zone.
>
> cheers
>
> -George
>
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