Sounds like you need to buy your own equipment, manage, and host it 
yourself in a sufficiently secure location, Greg.

Using any outsourced service, no matter where or by whom it's hosted 
opens your email up to greater risks than an act of Congress 
poses.  At least law enforcement has to follow the rules to get a 
conviction, bribed sys-admins can read and disclose whatever they 
please making it available to the court of public opinion regardless 
of what country their systems are in.

If your clients are truly concerned about the security of their 
email, tell them to encrypt it *all* no matter whose systems it's 
passing through.

IANAL but I believe Tucows US presence means they can already be 
compelled to make disclosures to the US govt, even if the data in 
question resides on servers in Canada.

-Russ



At 11:44 AM 4/6/2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>Hello all
>     I view of the recent discoveries that the  email defence data 
> center location is moving to a United States based facility I wish 
> to start a  discussion to hopefully stop or modify this move. I am 
> not at issue with a move simple as to where and the fact our 
> clients privacy any confidentiality will now be subject to breach.........
>The issue is that once this occurs all email that enters  that 
>facility is now subject to viewing by the "Inland security agency" 
>which breaches to say at minimum several policies of my clients and 
>I'm sure of yours. If your clients us the email defense service they 
>instantly become subject to the same rules once the data center is 
>located in the continental US.
>to see the power of that act I have included a link to 
>it  http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2001/10024--g.htm.
>The fact the move is occurring is posted to tucows web site its 
>location is below
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>https://rrc.tucows.com/releasenotes/email/emaildefense06
>New data center The new Email Defense platform will be hosted in the 
>Qwest data center in Denver Colorado with the recently acquired 
>Hosted Email systems.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>     This move has never been announced publicly but was rather 
> "hidden " and what I mean by hidden is. ... never publicly 
> discussed or promoted but announced on tucows web site and I know 
> of no other place. This is a very large very important fact that 
> actually makes "most" of my filtering client leave the service due 
> to fact of its physical location in the United States breaches 
> there internal policies as I will explain further.
>        This move should be of extreme interest to anyone using the 
> email defense service that is not a United States resident. The 
> number of none US residents is in all likely hood rather large and 
> I am within that number.
>      I must be clear that I have no issue with the abilities or the 
> facility or its methods or staff . My issue and yours should be 
> around its US location and now being subject to the US inland 
> security act. The fact that all email is now routed into the United 
> States and opened to scan. makes the email subject to the "Inland 
> Security Act" and its rules (not pretending to fully understand those).
>      I will not even start to count the number of ways in which 
> this breaches our policies and the policies of our clients and I'm 
> sure yours. These breaches in my clients policies immediately makes 
> this service inadequate for their needs and they have already told 
> me to find non US based provides or they must leave.
>     The clients have a issue and a well researched issue to say the 
> least. We have several clients who came to us because our filtering 
> data centers were located outside the US.
>I in no way am attempting to upset the apple card but this is a 
>issue that must be addresses quickly were aprox. 60 days or so form 
>the move. I have been told the location picked due to price well as 
>the new prices for the service is dropping roughly 50% that is a 
>invalid point. No matter the cost or lose this must occur and quickly.
>     With out a change to this data center location I can see a very 
> large out fluke of clients as we are now limiting  our ability to 
> offer service to other than US based clients. To mention but a few 
> of the organizations that will not allow there mail to be opened or 
> scanned in the US and have internal policy to such are 
> government(local municipal and federal), education, oil 
> services,  oil exploration etc etc. now that is a very large sector 
> of our clientele that is now affected.
>     I step back and hope this start the discussion that brings this 
> move to a full halt. I have full faith Tucows will step up to this 
> one and make the right move for all resellers.......
>
>Your respectfully
>Greg Makuch
>Whatever Computes
>
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