----- Original Message ----- 
From: "elliot noss" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "OpensrsDiscuss" <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2006 3:16 AM
Subject: Re: [domains-gen] Re email defense data center moves to US


> missed the original here. a couple quick points. the reason the emd
> hardware is being moved to denver is simply because that is the
> location of the email service that we acquired and it makes sense to
> locate the emd hardware in the same physical location as the email
> hardware. this is simply about providing an efficient service.
>
> next, greg, I cannot imagine what you mean when you describe this as
> "hidden". we have spoken clearly about our intentions to rationalize
> since we announced the transaction with critical path in december and
> we announced this move well in advance of actually doing it. I
> apologize if this surprised you but in no way did we intend to hide
> this.
>
> lastly, with respect to the privacy issue(s), perhaps the best thing to
> do is contact me offlist and I am happy to put you in touch with our
> general counsel to work through any specific issues you might have. I
> will confess to being confused. the act mentioned is a piece of UK
> legislation. all countries relevant here, the UK, US and Canada, have
> legislation that allows  access to email in certain proscribed
> situations. also, Tucows would vigorously defend any attempt to achieve
> access inappropriately.

Can I say, from the UK side, and speaking as an ISP, that the Police and 
Security Services here are very respectful of privacy issues.
We do provide access to customers emails when we receive an appropriate 
enforcement notice, but those are rare and all the ones I have been involved 
in have led to criminal prosecutions.
In general the authorities are more interested in web traffic information as 
its mainly child pron or terrorist related so they are trying to find out 
who these people have been sharing information with.

There is actually nothing new in this as snail mail used to get intercepted 
by some very clever means (when i was a boy we used to practice removing 
letters from enveleopes without breaking the seal, people are amazed when 
they see it done, but it was routine in the UK during the cold war, email me 
off list if you want to know the trick!).

When this issue gets raised it highl;ights the difference between privacy 
and secrecy.
I think in every day life we all have privacy but we can't really have total 
secrecy as we do share private information with companies, banks etc and we 
are all subject to law enforcement agencies.
It also raises the issue of anonimity: whether all internet usage should be 
anonymous.
My guess is that if peoples faces could be seen on line like going into a 
real shop there would be less fraud and general nastiness online.


Regards

Gordon Hudson
Hostroute.com Ltd
www.hostroute.net




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