On Tuesday 18 September 2001 19:05, Mike A. Harris wrote:
> Very much agreed. This is moreso even for standard XFree86
> driver development (2D et al.), and porting old 3.3.6 driver to
> 4.x.
Yes, I would love to see the CyberBlade on my laptop at least do 2D right
(Working correctly only in 15bpp is NOT right! :-)
> For the older hardware, people would be likely willing to port
> the drivers given specs and some hardware gratis.
Depends on the hardware, but yes, I think that might get a few interested
parties...
> What I personally would like to see, if possible - and this isn't
> really DRI related, is for the hardware that is fairly IMHO
> poorly supported (s3/Trident/neomagic, and a few others) to get
> more functional 2D drivers. Nothing mission critical, but as
> 3.3.6 disappears into oblivion, it will be nice to have those
> older hardware at least functioning stable if not full featured
> in 4.x.
The problem is the lack of documentation. In the case of all of the three
mentioned chip vendors, they never really gave out documentation and in the
case of at least one of the vendors, they're no longer a going concern for
display chips. Does Xfree86, Inc. happen to have all this info in hand?
> For the DRI side of things, probably a non-public list similar to
> the XFree86 member-only lists could be set up with which serious
> project members (such as the new Mach64 people) could be set up,
> and subject to whatever NDA's are required to get going. Such an
> effort would be a doorway to future development, and a necessity
> if the community is going to get involved in a larger way than
> it has been previously.
I'd be interested- but I'm leery of dealing under NDA. I've been burned
before in the past by hardware vendors insisting on NDAs only to not come
forward with the goods when they're signed by all involved parties. That's
not to say I won't help under those conditions- I just would prefer all in
the open operation.
> Of course wide open forums are alway preferred, but when dealing
> with NDA info from 3D chipmakers, they'll be more likely to help
> under NDA and private lists than on open lists.
If that. You'd be amazed at how little help you get from many of these
outfits, even WITH an NDA.
--
Frank Earl
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