José Fonseca wrote:
> On 2002.06.12 18:49 Keith Whitwell wrote:
>
>> ...
>>
>
> I totally disagree here...
>
>> The dri-users list was founded on the idea that there might be a class
>> of 'power users' out there who would altruistically help newbies get
>> their setup working so that 'real developers' could concentrate on
>> loftier ideas.
>
>
> That would be indeed nice, but when that doesn't happen I think we
> should give them a help. If the developers were the only consumers of
> the the DRI drivers, then why bothering having a webpage, user FAQs,
> user manuals, users installation guides, etc.? (Unless that's only to
> catch more developers..)
>
>>
>> That class of power users haven't really emerged, if anything it is
>> the power users who are crying for help in the blackness of dri-users,
>> as everyone else just sucks whatever comes with their distro.
>
>
> I noticed several times that users do answer to other users when they
> know the answer. It seems that most of that class of power users has
> migrated to dri-devel, by force of the circunstances, i.e., because it
> was there where all developers where...
>
>>
>> Again - I think the people on dri-users would be better off just
>> posting to dri-devel. As it looks like we've got to monitor both
>> lists, why bother having a second list? I know I give less attention
>> to posts with
>
>
> To separate the development issues from, .e.g, installation problems. I
> personally wouldn't like to have my dri-devel mbox full with cryies for
> help - if that happened I effectively would make my procmail seperate
> those into another mbox.
Yes, like all that mach64 stuff... (big smilie)
> In theory, dri-devel should be mainly for communication between all
> developers and beta-testers. The dri-users should be for everybody else.
> This is what I see in many other projects and it works quite well.
>
>> [dri-users] than [dri-devel] -- perhaps I think that people posting
>> there will never do any development, so I won't be "repayed" by
>> spending my time on them.
>
>
> So if they post to dri-devel then somehow they are qualified as
> developers and will actually do anything!?
>
>>
>> Shut it down, let them post on dri-devel.
>
>
> Yeah! Let's burn Rome! ;o)
OK, maybe I'm getting carried away.
But as I see it, there aren't many people in total on dri_devel+dri_users.
The only people who can really answer dri_users questions are on dri_devel
anyway. Why have two lists?
There aren't a great number of dri_users questions anyway and a good
percentage of them probably should be on dri_devel as it stands now (they're
proper bugs, or whatever).
So, I guess I still think the second list:
- doesn't serve it's intended audience well
- doesn't save us any time (except by making it easier to ignore users).
But, I don't feel anywhere near as strongly about this as about the
sourceforge bug tracker. I can live with either outcome.
Keith
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