On 5/17/2010 1:51 PM, John Hays wrote:

On 5/17/2010 11:57 AM, Woodrick, Ed wrote:

And while you indicate that the G2 and DPlus protocols aren’t open source, they definitely have been reversed engineered and we have third party solutions talking to them now.


Which ones?  Where can one find information on them?

There are several projects, the most promising right now is G4ULF's working D-STAR repeater and G2 protocol compliant software. Runs on Linux, uses Satoshi (and hopefully soon Fred's) firmware, and a very modest CPU/Memory footprint (the actual repeater and gateway are only about 80k compiled). David is very careful about QA of his code and has worked extensively with K5TIT trust team in a test and production environment. G4ULF code based repeater/gateways can connect to K5TIT trust, but generally availability is probably at least a couple of months out.

That wasn't an answer to my question, John.

Forgive me for being a hard-ass about it, but the point of the original poster's sincere query was whether or not D-STAR is "too closed". Dropping the "too" and just answering whether it's closed or open, the answer is, and has always been: "Yes, it is closed to mere mortals".

Naming things "open" is just a head-fake.  Lots of people fall for it, too.

Icom Gateway - Closed.
D-PLUS - Closed.
Add-Ons that are talking to D-PLUS - Closed.

I am making no judgment about it, I'm simply answering the original poster's question, which was avoided.

When we all grow up and learn to just say it:

"Yes, Virginia.  There is a Santa Claus.  And D-STAR is closed/proprietary."

Life is easier.

If you want a value/judgment statement; or a scoreboard -- I can also provide that:

"The data/off-air interfaces in D-STAR are as closed as MotoTRBO, and eventually more closed than P25 once they publish their interop interface. Right now, they're all tied for closed-ness."

And...

"The on-air interfaces, D-STAR and P25 are tied for openness, MotoTRBO is closed."

Nate WY0X

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