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Subject: Re: Which is best e-gold fundable debit card?
From: "James M. Ray" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 05:40:09 -0500
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At 12:57 PM +1000 4/21/01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>The BVI seems to be an OK-ish place to get some financial privacy.
>
>Generally, the whole "offshore! privacy!" thing is a bit of a farce.
>
>Most people get what they know from old spy movies.
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> Subject: Re: Which is best e-gold fundable debit card?
> From: "James M. Ray" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 05:40:09 -0500
> X-Message-Number: 3
>
> At 12:57 PM +1000 4/21/01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >The BVI seems to be an OK-ish place to get some financial privacy.
> >
> >Generally, the whole "offshore! privacy!" thing is a bit of a farce.
> >
> >Most people get what they know from old spy movies.
>
> ...
>
> JP May is, once-again, the voice of reason.
> JMR
>
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> Subject: Re: Which is best e-gold fundable debit card?
> From: Julian Morrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 11:29:21 +0100
> X-Message-Number: 4
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > Rich people, nazis, politicans, etc, dont "hide their money in
Switzerland"
> >
> > It's not real complicated: every financial transaction in the world
> > is recorded in the FinCen computers in the states.
> >
> > What are you gonna do?
>
> Store my money in e-gold.
>
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>
> Subject: Re: Which is best e-gold fundable debit card?
> From: "Elwyn Jenkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 10:24:16 -0400
> X-Message-Number: 5
>
> >Elwyn Jenkins wrote:
> >> BVI law requires that privacy and confidentiality should be maintained
> while criminal activity is not
> >> suspected. AND WE HAVE THE BVI LAW AND PRACTICES ON OUR SIDE TO DO THAT
> >
> CCS Replied:
> >Yes, and that is exactly what the British Government is demanding that
the
> BVI
> >change in the next few years on threat of the Crown changing it for the
BVI
> if
> >they don't do it to themselves.
>
> >Whitehall disagrees with you on that.
>
> >CCS
>
> Unfortunately CCS, you have misunderstood the two issues of anti-money
> laundering which requires that financial institutions are disallowed from
> maintaining "anonymous records" with that of the whole status of
"privacy".
> In fact, there is much on privacy and anti-money laundering that you
neglect
> to consider. Please read the texts referred to at the end of the article
for
> a full understanding but here is a brief outline as to the true situation.
>
> PRIVACY
> =======
> Privacy is a fundamental human right. It underpins human dignity and other
> values such as freedom of association and freedom of speech. It has become
> one of the most important human rights issues of the modern age.
>
> Privacy is recognized around the world in diverse regions and cultures. It
> is protected in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, the
International
> Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, and in many other international
and
> regional human rights treaties. Nearly every country in the world includes
a
> right of privacy in its constitution. At a minimum, these provisions
include
> rights of inviolability of the home and secrecy of communications. Most
> recently written constitutions include specific rights to access and
control
> one's personal information. In many of the countries where privacy is not
> explicitly recognized in the constitution, the courts have found that
right
> in other provisions. In many countries, international agreements that
> recognize privacy rights such as the International Covenant on Civil and
> Political Rights or the European Convention on Human Rights have been
> adopted into law.
>
> The UK and EU are very strong in ensuring personal privacy -
>
> "A free and democratic society requires respect for the autonomy of
> individuals, and limits on the power of both state and private
organizations
> to intrude on that autonomy . . . Privacy is a key value which underpins
> human dignity and other key values such as freedom of association and
> freedom of speech. . . . Privacy is a basic human right and the reasonable
> expectation of every person." [Report of the Committee on Privacy and
> Related Matters, Chairman David Calcutt QC, 1990, Cmnd. 1102, London:
HMSO,
> page 7.]
>
> Numerous international human rights treaties specifically recognize
privacy
> as a right. The International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights
> (ICCPR), the UN Convention on Migrant Workers[A/RES/45/158 25 February
1991,
> Article 14.] and the UN Convention on Protection of the Child[UNGA Doc
> A/RES/44/25 (12 December 1989) with Annex, Article 16.] adopt the same
> language.[International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights,
> http://www.hrweb.org/legal/cpr.html.]
>
> On the regional level, various treaties make these rights legally
> enforceable. Article 8 of the 1950 Convention for the Protection of Human
> Rights and Fundamental Freedoms[Convention for the Protection of Human
> Rights and Fundamental Freedoms Rome, 4.XI.1950.
> http://www.coe.fr/eng/legaltxt/5e.htm.] states:
>
> (1) Everyone has the right to respect for his private and family life, his
> home and his correspondence. (2) There shall be no interference by a
public
> authority with the exercise of this right except as in accordance with the
> law and is necessary in a democratic society in the interests of national
> security, public safety or the economic well-being of the country, for the
> prevention of disorder or crime, for the protection of health of morals,
or
> for the protection of the rights and freedoms of others.
>
> ANTI-MONEY LAUNDERING
> =====================
> The other issue has to do with anti-money laundering measures. "Tax
havens"
> are required by current code of practice, which the BVI has adopted
already
> as a voluntary code, to cease operating "anonymous" acounts. But, in the
> privacy laws, those accounts are off-limits to governments, marketing
> companies, and other who may seek to obtain that information for their
> benefit rather than the benefit of the individual.
>
> In June 1991, the Council of the European Communities adopted a directive
on
> the "Prevention of the Use of the Financial System for the Purpose of
Money
> Laundering." This directive was issued in response to the new
opportunities
> for money laundering opened up by the liberalization of capital movements
> and cross-border financial services in the European Union. The directive
> obligates member states to outlaw money laundering. They must require
> financial institutions to establish and maintain internal systems to
prevent
> laundering, to obtain the identification of customers with whom they enter
> into transactions of more than ECU 15,000, and to keep proper records for
at
> least five years. Member states must also require financial institutions
to
> report suspicious transactions and must ensure that such reporting does
not
> result in liability for the institution or its employees. The directive
> insists on maintaining the "privacy" of individuals. What the directive
> seeks to protect financial institutions and their employees from is the
> revelation of private information and any legal attack that private
> individuals may make on the employees or institution for revealing private
> information that is connected with suspect transactions - which the
> institutions and employees have a duty to perform according to the
> directive. There are also additional protections for the individual that
if
> the institution and employees did not have reasonable evidence of criminal
> activity that there can be effective legal solution against the
institution
> and employees.
>
> The UK Government is making it plain that if the code of practice
regarding
> anti-money laundering is not voluntarily put into place, then it will pass
> laws in the UK that affect all territories to make it law that the code of
> practice is put in place. The code of practice [eg. Anti-Money Laudering
> Code of Practice, 1999, BVI] identifies the role of the financial system,
in
> which the recommendations define roles for banks, life insurance
companies,
> and other nonbank financial institutions, as well as financial regulatory
> authorities. The role envisioned for financial institutions is identifying
> their customers, maintaining records sufficient to allow the
reconstruction
> of transactions, and making these records available to the right
authorities
> for criminal investigations and prosecutions. The recommendations thus
imply
> that financial institutions should not keep anonymous accounts. The
> recommendations encourage institutions to make a serious effort to
identify
> and report suspicious activities and to adopt good internal policies,
> procedures, and controls. And they encourage states to adopt legal
> provisions protecting institutions and their employees from legal
liability
> for reporting suspicious activity in good faith. The authorities are
> supposed to ensure that financial institutions have put in place adequate
> internal safeguards against money laundering. And states are to take legal
> or regulatory measures to prevent criminals from getting control of
> financial institutions. The code of practice also points financial
> institutions to their duty regarding privacy and that these privacy laws
> should be firmly unheld. [See also: See European Commission Press Release,
> 'Data protection: Commission adopts decisions recognising adequacy of
> regimes in US, Switzerland and Hungary', July 27, 2000.
>
<http://europa.eu.int/comm/internal_market/en/media/dataprot/news/safeharbor
> .htm> and their relationship to anti-money laundering and privacy.]
>
> CONCLUSION
> ==========
> While as Standard Reserve Issue Limited and Standard Transactions (BVI)
> Limited I should not and cannot operate anonymous accounts, and am charged
> with doing due diligence on all accounts we open, I must maintain your
> personal privacy - I cannot sell the information, I cannot reveal the
> information to a government, and I have a duty to my customer to ensure
that
> my customer knows every use of that private information in the course of
> doing business including the fact that I am concerned over a transaction
and
> that I am wanting to know information about that transaction as I suspect
> criminal activity. On the other hand, governments cannot order me to give
up
> information -- see privacy laws -- and however, I have an obligation to
give
> information about potential criminal activity. This is not the case in the
> USA which is why we have moved to the BVI - any data can be obtained by
> governments in the USA -- this is one of the situation that the EU is most
> upset about USA laws and have requested similar privacy protections as are
> in Europe in the USA [See:Paul M. Schwartz and Joel R. Reindenberg, Data
> Privacy Law, (Michie) (1996).]
>
> SO, if you are not doing anything criminal an account in Standard Reserve
in
> the BVI will maintain your privacy. But if we see one of the following, we
> are bound to report it after consultation with our customer:
>
> 1. An unusual method of settlement;
> 2. Early redemption of an investment product - like after 2 weeks on a
five
> year product;
> 3. Unusually linked transactions;
> 4. Large transactions when transactions normally are only small.
>
> Even then, reporting is not done immediately. We first must contact the
> account holder, understand the transaction and then if we are sure there
is
> no criminal activity no reporting is required. In collecting any
> information, however, we are charged with utmost privacy for customers.
>
> Governments, by way of privacy laws, cannot obtain records for tax
evasion.
> This is specifically covered in various privacy laws including the new
laws
> being brought into BVI, UK, Australia and various other British
Territories,
> Dependencies, and associated nations. This is not the case in the USA
where
> using a Social Security Number your governments can obtain any financial
> information they require from a bank. THE USA is under fire on this and EU
> and UK governments are strongly seeking a change on this from the US
> Government particularly where European individuals and companies share
data
> with US banks and businesses.
>
> Any further information you should want on this topic regarding privacy
you
> should read: Commission Decision on the adequacy of the protection
provided
> by theSafe Harbour Privacy Principles and related Frequently Asked
Questions
> issued by the US Department of Commerce.
>
http://europa.eu.int/comm/internal_market/en/media/dataprot/news/decision.pd
> f.
>
> SURE, there is no such thing as a numbered account, but there is a right
to
> privacy that you should demand and can maintain by having a good
> relationship with your account provider and by warning your account
provider
> when an unusual transaction may take place. If you are doing nothing
> criminal, your privacy is assured. Standard Transactions (BVI) Limited and
> Standard Reserve Issue Limited are established in a jurisdiction where we
> can maintain your privacy and where you can be confident that your private
> information will not be put into the hands of any government, or other
> business.
>
> Dr Elwyn Jenkins
> Standard Transactions (BVI) Limited
> Standard Reserve Holdings Limited
>
> RESOURCES TO READ:
>
> PRIVACY
> =======
> [1]ames Michael, Privacy and Human Rights (UNESCO 1994) p.1.
>
> [2] Simon Davies, Big Brother: Britain's web of surveillance and the new
> technological order (Pan, London, 1996) p. 23.
>
> [3] Volio, Fernando, "Legal personality, privacy and the family" in Henkin
> (ed), The International Bill of Rights,(New York: Columbia University
Press
> 1981).
>
> [4] Samuel Warren and Louis Brandeis, "The right to privacy," Harvard Law
> Review 4, 1890 pp 193 - 220.
>
> [5] Alan F Westin, Privacy and Freedom, (New York: Atheneum: 1967) p. 7.
>
> [6] "Privacy as an Aspect of Human Dignity," 39 New York University Law
> Review, p. 971 (1964).
>
> [7] "Privacy and the Limits of Law," 89 Yale Law Journal 421, at 428
(1980).
>
> [8] Report of the Committee on Privacy and Related Matters, Chairman David
> Calcutt QC, 1990, Cmnd. 1102, London: HMSO, page 7.
>
> [9] "The Australian Privacy Charter," published by the Australian Privacy
> Charter Group, Law School, University of New South Wales, Sydney 1994.
>
> [10] Richard Hixson, Privacy in a Public Society: Human Rights in
Conflict,
> p. 3 (1987). See Barrington Moore, Privacy: Studies in Social and Cultural
> History (1984).
>
> [11] See Jeffrey Rosen, The Unwanted Gaze (Random House, 2000).
>
> [12] Ibid. at 5.
>
> [13] Infra James Michael, p. 15. Justices of the Peace Act, 1361 (Eng.),
34
> Edw. 3, c. 1.
>
> [14] Entick v. Carrington, 1558-1774 All E.R. Rep. 45.
>
> [15] Speech on the Excise Bill, 1763.
>
> [16] The Rachel affaire. Judgment of June 16, 1858, Trib. pr. inst. de la
> Seine, 1858 D.P. III 62. See Jeanne M. Hauch, Protecting Private Facts in
> France: The Warren & Brandeis Tort is Alive and Well and Flourishing in
> Paris, 68 Tul. L. Rev. 1219 (May 1994).
>
> [17] See prof. dr. juris Jon Bing, Data Protection in Norway, 1996.
>
> <http://www.jus.uio.no/iri/rettsinfo/lib/papers/dp_norway/dp_norway.html>.
>
> [18] Warren and Brandeis, The Right to Privacy, 4 Harvard Law Review 193
> (1890).
>
> [19] Universal Declaration of Human Rights,
> <http://www.hrweb.org/legal/udhr.html>.
>
> [20] A/RES/45/158 25 February 1991, Article 14.
>
> [21] UNGA Doc A/RES/44/25 (12 December 1989) with Annex, Article 16.
>
> [22] International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights,
> <http://www.hrweb.org/legal/cpr.html>.
>
> [23]Convention for the Protection of Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms
> Rome, 4.XI.1950. <http://www.coe.fr/eng/legaltxt/5e.htm>.
>
> [24] Nadine Strossen, "Recent U.S. and Intl. Judicial Protection of
> Individual Rights: A comparative Legal Process Analysis and Proposed
> Synthesis," 41 Hastings Law Journal 805 (1990).
>
> [25] X v. Iceland, 5 Eur. Comm'n H.R. 86.87 (1976).
>
> [26] European Court of Human Rights, Case of Klass and Others: Judgement
of
> 6 September 1978, Series A No. 28 (1979). Malone v. Commissioner of
Police,
> 2 All E.R. 620 (1979). See Note, "Secret Surveillance and the European
> Convention on Human Rights," 33 Stanford Law Review 1113, 1122 (1981).
>
> [27] Judgement of 26 March 1987 (Leander Case).
>
> [28] Id. at 848, 849.
>
> [29] Signed Nov. 22, 1969, entered into force July 18, 1978, O.A.S. Treaty
> Series No. 36, at 1, O.A.S. Off. Rec. OEA/Ser. L/V/II.23 dec rev. 2.
>
> [30] O.A.S. Res XXX, adopted by the Ninth Conference of American States,
> 1948 OEA/Ser/. L./V/I.4 Rev (1965).
>
> [31] An excellent analysis of these laws is found in David Flaherty,
> Protecting Privacy in Surveillance Societies (University of North Carolina
> Press 1989).
>
> [32] Convention fn the Protection of Individuals with regard to the
> Automatic Processing of Personal Data Convention, ETS No. 108, Strasbourg,
> 1981. <http://www.coe.fr/eng/legaltxt/108e.htm>.
>
> [33] OECD, "Guidelines Governing the Protection of Privacy and Transborder
> Data Flows of Personal Data" Paris, 1981.
> <http://www.oecd.org/dsti/sti/it/secur/prod/PRIV-EN.HTM>.
>
> [34] Council of Europe <http://conventions.coe.int/>.
>
> [35] Directive 95/46/EC of the European Parliament and of the Council of
24
> October 1995 on the protection of individuals with regard to the
processing
> of personal data and on the free movement of such data,
>
<http://europa.eu.int/comm/internal_market/en/media/dataprot/law/index.htm>.
>
> [36] Directive Concerning the Processing of Personal Data and the
Protection
> of Privacy in the Telecommunications Sector (Directive 97/66/EC of the
> European Parliament and of the Council of 15 December 1997),
> <http://www.ispo.cec.be/legal/en/dataprot/protection.html>.
>
> [37] European Commission, 'Proposal for a directive of the European
> Parliament and of the Council concerning the processing of personal data
and
> the protection of privacy in the electronic communications sector'
>
<http://europa.eu.int/comm/information_society/policy/framework/pdf/com20003
> 85_en.pdf>.
>
> [38] Council of Europe, Convention for the Protection of Individuals with
> regard to the Automatic Processing of Personal Data, 1981.
> <http://www.coe.fr/eng/legaltxt/108e.htm>.
>
> [39] See European Commission Press Release, 'Data protection: Commission
> adopts decisions recognising adequacy of regimes in US, Switzerland and
> Hungary', July 27, 2000.
>
<http://europa.eu.int/comm/internal_market/en/media/dataprot/news/safeharbor
> .htm>.
>
> [40] See European Union, Internal Market Directorate, Background
> Information: Transfer of data to non-EU countries - FAQ.
>
<http://europa.eu.int/comm/internal_market/en/media/dataprot/backinfo/info.h
> tm>.
>
> [41] Study Made Jointly by the Council of Europe, the Commission of the
> European Communities (1992).
> <http://www.coe.fr/dataprotection/Etudes_Rapports/ectype.htm>.
>
>
> [42] European Parliament resolution on the Draft Commission Decision on
the
> adequacy of the protection provided by the Safe Harbour Privacy Principles
> and related Frequently Asked Questions issued by the US Department of
> Commerce. <http://www.epic.org/privacy/intl/EP_SH_resolution_0700.html>.
>
> [43] The article 29 data protection working group of the European
Commission
> has issued documents giving guidance on the role of contracts generally.
See
> 'Transfers of personal data to third countries: Applying Articles 25 and
26
> of the EU data protection directive' 24 July 1998.
>
<http://europa.eu.int/comm/internal_market/en/media/dataprot/wpdocs/wp12en.h
> tm>.
>
> [44] Paul M. Schwartz and Joel R. Reindenberg, Data Privacy Law, (Michie)
> (1996).
>
> [45] See e.g., Public Comments Received by the US Department of Commerce
in
> Response to the Safe Harbor Documents April 5, 2000,
> <http://www.ita.doc.gov/td/ecom/Comments400/publiccomments0400.html>.
>
> [46] European Parliament resolution on the Draft Commission Decision on
the
> adequacy of the protection provided by the Safe Harbour Privacy Principles
> and related Frequently Asked Questions issued by the US Department of
> Commerce. <http://www.epic.org/privacy/intl/EP_SH_resolution_0700.html>.
>
> [47] Commission Decision on the adequacy of the protection provided by
> theSafe Harbour Privacy Principles and related Frequently Asked Questions
> issued by the US Department of Commerce.
>
<http://europa.eu.int/comm/internal_market/en/media/dataprot/news/decision.p
> df>.
>
> [48] See for example the earlier Statement of the Transatlantic Consumer
> Protection Dialogue on U.S. Department of Commerce Draft International
Safe
> Harbor Privacy Principles and FAQs
>
> March 30, 2000, <http://www.tacd.org/ecommercef.html#usdraft>.
>
> ANTI-MONEY LAUNDERING
> =====================
> Alexander, Richard. "EU: The EC Money Laundering Directive." Journal of
> Money Laundering Control. Institute of Advanced Legal Studies. Volume Two,
> Number One, Summer 1998.
>
> Australian Senate Committee. Checking the Cash: A Report on the
> Effectiveness of the Financial Transaction Reports Act 1988. Senate
Standing
> Committee on Legal and Constitutional Affairs, Canberra, 1993.
>
> Birks, P. Laundering and tracing. Oxford : Clarendon Press ; New York:
> Oxford University, 1995.
>
> Bosworth-Davis, R. "Living with the Law: A Survey of Money Laundering
> Reporting Officers and Their Attitudes towards the Money Launderering
> Regulations." Journal of Money Laundering Control, Vol.1, No.3, January
> 1998.
>
> British Commonwealth. International Efforts to Combat Money Laundering.
> Cambridge International Document Series Vol. 4, Grotius Publishing,
> Cambridge, England, 1992.
>
> Candler, L. J. "Commingled Funds: How to Seize Proceeds of Electronic
> Crime." Journal of Money Laundering Control, Vol.1, No.4, April 1998.
>
> Cooperation in Fight Against Money Laundering in Context of European
> Community Integration. BNA's Banking Report, January 22, 1990; 119-122.
>
> Council of Europe. Explanatory report on the Convention on Laundering,
> Search, Seizure, and Confiscation of the Proceeds of Crime. Council of
> Europe Publishing and Documentation Service, Strasbourg, France, 1991.
>
> Ehrenstein, Michael David. "Tracking Narco-Dollars: The Evolution of a
> Potent Weapon in the Drug War." University of Miami Inter-American Law
> Review, Summer 1990; 637-677.
>
> Evans, J. The Proceeds of Crime: Problems of Investigation and
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> Paper presented to the United Nations International Conference on
Preventing
> and Controlling Money Laundering and the Use of the Proceeds of Crime: A
> Global Approach, Courmayeur Mont Blanc, Italy, 18-20 June 1994.
>
> Gilmore, William C. Dirty Money: The evolution of money laundering
> counter-measures. Council of Europe Press, Strasbourg, 2nd ed. Rev. and
> expanded, 1999.
>
> Graycar, A & Grabosky, P (eds). Money-Laundering in the Twenty-First
> Century: Risks and Countermeasures. Australian Institute of Criminology,
> Canberra, 1996.
>
> Karchmer, Cliff. Illegal Money Laundering - A Strategy & Resource Guide
for
> Law Enforcement Agencies. Police Executive Resources, Washington, DC,
1988.
>
> Kottke, K. Schwarzgeld-was tun?; Handbuch fur das Scharzgeld-Steuerrecht;
> Entstehung, Unterbringung, Aufdeckung, Legalisierung von unversteuerten
> Geldern. Haufe, Freiburg,1999.
>
> Levi, Michael. "Evaluating the 'New Policing': Attacking the Money Trail
of
> Organized Crime." The Australian and New Zealand Journal of Criminology.
30,
> 1997, pp 1-25.
>
> Levi, Michael. Incriminating Disclosures: An Evaluation of Money
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> Subject: Re: Which is best e-gold fundable debit card?
> From: Julian Morrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 17:39:07 +0100
> X-Message-Number: 7
>
> Elwyn Jenkins wrote:
>
> > (1) Everyone has the right to respect for his private and family life,
his
> > home and his correspondence. (2) There shall be no interference by a
public
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the
> > law and is necessary in a democratic society in the interests of
national
> > security, public safety or the economic well-being of the country, for
the
> > prevention of disorder or crime, for the protection of health of morals,
or
> > for the protection of the rights and freedoms of others.
>
> National security, public safety, disorder, crime, economic well being,
> heck even "morals". What a nice little shopping list of available
> excuses with which to define any behavior you don't like as a reason to
> snoop.
>
> Here's my position on this: money laundering is a fundmental natural
> right. It's your damn money and nobody else's business, period.
>
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> Subject: Re: Complaint about GITGOLD.COM
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> Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 07:22:06 +1000
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>
> >
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> sorry
> > for them if it is true, but maybe it shows they have a certain way of
> upsetting
> > people.
>
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you
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>
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> Subject: Re: Which is best e-gold fundable debit card?
> From: Craig Spencer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 20:51:41 -0400
> X-Message-Number: 9
>
> Julian Morrison wrote:
>
> > Here's my position on this: money laundering is a fundmental natural
> > right. It's your damn money and nobody else's business, period.
>
> Your point, properly understood, is inspiring.
>
> But that should not obscure the fact that it IS morally wrong to allow
> criminals to profit from their crimes and justice requires that we act
> to prevent them from doing so. Here I mean real criminals: thieves,
> scammers, politicians etc.
>
> Of course, all the noise about money laundering has nothing to do with
> the
> real meaning of the term. Rather it is a deception that deliberately
> confounds real crime with merely moving money around to provide an
> excuse
> to prevent people from maintaining their right to their own property.
>
> Best,
>
> CCS
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: Re: Which is best e-gold fundable debit card?
> From: Craig Spencer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 20:34:07 -0400
> X-Message-Number: 10
>
> Elwin,
>
> > Unfortunately CCS, you have misunderstood the two issues of anti-money
> > laundering which requires that financial institutions are disallowed
from
> > maintaining "anonymous records" with that of the whole status of
"privacy".
> > In fact, there is much on privacy and anti-money laundering that you
neglect
> > to consider.
>
> My meaning was perfectly clear to everyone. What is the point of trying
> to
> obscure the subject by equivocating on the meaning of "privacy". That
> does
> not change anything.
>
> All the pompous pronouncements that you expressed which pretended to
> uphold
> privacy are meaningless because they are always deceptiviely qualified
> so as not to apply to the greatest and most systematic
> violator: government.
>
> As for your disquisition on money laundering, if anyone actually read
> it without being numbed into a thoughtless stupor, it simply reinforced
> my comments contrary to what you probably intended.
>
> > The UK Government is making it plain that if the code of practice
regarding
> > anti-money laundering is not voluntarily put into place, then it will
pass
> > laws in the UK that affect all territories ... The recommendations thus
imply
> > that financial institutions should not keep anonymous accounts. The
> > recommendations encourage institutions to make a serious effort to
identify
> > and report suspicious activities ...
>
> Contrary to your repeated (methinks thou doth protest too much) claims:
>
> > those accounts are off-limits to governments, marketing
> > companies, and other who may seek to obtain that information for their
> > benefit rather than the benefit of the individual.
>
> > I cannot reveal the information to a government,
>
> > governments cannot order me to give up information
>
> > SO, if you are not doing anything criminal an account in Standard
Reserve
> > in the BVI will maintain your privacy.
>
> > Standard Transactions (BVI) Limited and Standard Reserve Issue Limited
are
> > established in a jurisdiction where we can maintain your privacy and
where
> > you can be confident that your private information will not be put into
> > the hands of any government
>
> one of the essential requirements (the deadline for BVI's compliance
> is 30 September 2001) of the Crown is
>
> "the enactment of compulsory investigative powers legislation to enable
> regulators to obtain and share vital information with overseas
> regulators."
> http://www.offshorechoices.com/html/editorial/articleshow.html?id=1499
> http://www.tax-news.com/asp/story/asp?storyname=1091
> http://www.tax-news.com/asp/story/asp?storyname=2221
>
> The legislative changes to do this and to give the lie to your claim
>
> > Governments, by way of privacy laws, cannot obtain records for tax
evasion.
>
> "Amending MLAT to embrace within the ambit of the co-operation
> mechanisms
> of the Treaty -- criminal tax information exchanges, and to remove the
> heretofore insistence on dual criminality ..."
> http://www.offshorechoices.com/html/editorial/articleshow.html?id=1720
>
> are already in process in the BVI.
>
> > This is not the case in the USA which is why we have moved to
> > the BVI - any data can be obtained by governments in the USA
>
> Certainly it will never be as bad in the BVI as it is in the US. And
> I applaud your move to the BVI as an important improvement. But you
> should not try to sell it as being better than it is.
>
> It is obvious to any thinking person that the campaign against money
> laundering has nothing to do with real crime and is just a manipulative
> excuse for the efforts of governments to prevent their citizens from
> keeping and using their rightful property.
>
> Best,
>
> CCS
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: Re: Which is best e-gold fundable debit card?
> From: Julian Morrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 02:54:13 +0100
> X-Message-Number: 11
>
> Craig Spencer wrote:
> >
> > Julian Morrison wrote:
> >
> > > Here's my position on this: money laundering is a fundmental natural
> > > right. It's your damn money and nobody else's business, period.
> >
> > Your point, properly understood, is inspiring.
> >
> > But that should not obscure the fact that it IS morally wrong to allow
> > criminals to profit from their crimes and justice requires that we act
> > to prevent them from doing so. Here I mean real criminals: thieves,
> > scammers, politicians etc.
>
> Solution: do it the old fashoned way. Catch them red-handed with the
> loot. If they won't hand it back, indenture them in lieu of restitution.
>
> The money laundering scare and regulations obscure the fact that it
> always has been and always will be trivial to launder money, given a big
> enough mafia. One simply instructs a few hundred peons to buy expensive,
> resaleable items for which provenance is not an issue. Jewellery,
> second-hand cars, shares, property, whatever. One cascades together the
> money flows so transactions are always "reasonable", but end up
> clustering the money into a small set of very valuable liquid assets.
> Provided you have a mob.
>
> All the fuss covers who's under attack here. The law enforcement folks
> know perfectly well that without every single transaction worldwide
> numbered, checked, and background-checked, any of the people they're
> using as "boogeyman du jour" can run rings around them. The whole
> six-ring-circus of drug barons and Russian mafiosi is basically covering
> for the only easily-hit target in the show: Joe Blow, who would prefer
> to keep both halves of the money he just earned.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: Re: Which is best e-gold fundable debit card?
> From: Craig Spencer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 22:23:38 -0400
> X-Message-Number: 12
>
> Julian Morrison wrote:
> >
> > All the fuss covers who's under attack here. The law enforcement folks
> > know perfectly well that without every single transaction worldwide
> > numbered, checked, and background-checked, any of the people they're
> > using as "boogeyman du jour" can run rings around them. The whole
> > six-ring-circus of drug barons and Russian mafiosi is basically covering
> > for the only easily-hit target in the show: Joe Blow, who would prefer
> > to keep both halves of the money he just earned.
>
> You are entirely right. As I think I indicated: it is all a deliberate
> deception.
>
> But the thing that makes such a deception effective is that there is
> a plausible and valid target to use as an excuse. While realizing that
> it is just an excuse it is important to not lose sight of the fact that
> the target is valid. It is also important to realize that "getting"
> that
> target, even if that was what was happening (which it is not), would not
> justify violating a single innocent person.
>
> Best,
>
> Craig
>
>
> Best,
>
> Craig
>
>
>
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