At 4:45 PM +0000 on 3/12/02, major bosco wrote:

> Well this is interesting news!
>
> I thought James Turk at Goldmoney said all the fraud was at E-Gold?
>
> He railed on and on about this issue awhile back -- I guess his admin team
> better get in there and police their own Glass House before throwing stones!

Frankly, the whole issue of fraud, or, as I framed it longer ago than I
like to think, the "Mrs. Grundy on the Bank Board" problem, should be
*orthogonal* to the payment scheme.

Think, for instance, if the Fed were to be required to repudiate all
transactions done for drugs, or made with stolen cash. Obviously, that's
impossible, because cash is a bearer transaction.

Systems like e-gold, and GoldMoney are, of course, book-entry systems,
requiring latency in settlement, which in turn requires knowing your
customer so you can send him to jail, or freeze his assets, if he lies
about a debit or credit. Unfortunately, once you've mastered this
"syntactic" hurdle, so the trades don't break and you have no settlement
fraud, you are almost required to enforce "semantic" fraud, like GoldMoney
is doing now.

The solution is bearer transactions, someday. Hopefully sooner than you
think.  <shameless-plug> See the attached announcement if you'd like to
learn more </shameless-plug>.

One should note, however, that since the Mssrs. Turk didn't offer a sign-up
bounty to people who brought in new customers, GoldMoney's initial fraud
rate, and it's popularity with HYIPs and other scamsters, is not nearly the
one that e-gold had, which might be the origin of James' original claim.

Nonetheless. If you do book-entries, you end up playing fraud-cop, and, as
we know, that way danger lies, especially for anyone who cares about
individual freedom -- or, more to the point, economic efficiency...

Cheers,
RHA


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